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Old 03-11-2005, 17:07   #1046
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Re: smoking and the pub

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Originally Posted by SlackDad
Robots?
No, human nature.

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Oh don't be ridiculous. Of course an outright ban is not going to bankrupt every pub in the country and I have never suggested it would.
Which is why The Lounge is a bad example...

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People will aways frequent pubs ban or no ban. The point, which is still a valid one, is that when punters were confronted with a choice the non-smoking establishment folded. In the lead up to the ban this is worhtwhile analysing as it demonstrates what much of the clientele seemed to have preferred. Deal with it.
I offered a scenario to explain this above, in post 1016. So I have already dealt with it.

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I'm not a geneticist, but no doubt there is a genetic link to an addictive personality, and introversion/extroversion. Doesn't sound so ridiculoius couched in those terms.
No, you can justify just about anything if you dress it in pseudoscience.

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Ah, so where are the smokers going? Puffing away at home probably. Do you know whether smoking cessation rates have gone up?
Now we really are going round in circles. Here:

" Irish pubs are now focussing on measures to limit the effects of the ban on their business. The sale of outdoor patio heaters has rocketed in Ireland this year as pubs develop outdoor areas where smoking customers can congregate to"have a smoke". There is some preliminary evidence to suggest that smoking levels have reduced and surveys clearly indicate that smokers smoke less now when out for a night in the pub since they must leave the company they are in and go outdoors to smoke. Whether the ban will substantially reduce the overall smoking levels in Ireland remains to be seen, but there is good reason to believe that this will be the case."

(From: http://erj.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/full/24/3/337 )

I have read elsewhere (but can't spot the link just now) that those early indications are that 1 in 12 smokers have already quit as a result of the ban in Ireland.

Note also that they are not puffing away at home, they are puffing away outside the pub, but generally puffing away rather less than they were. This has obvious health benefits for the smoker as well as those sat next to him.
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