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Originally Posted by ian@huth
No matter how many times the anti smoking posters in this thread say "for the millionth time" and words to that effect it doesn't alter the basic fact that their view of the situation may be completely at odds with the truth. In fact the very saying shows that they are not telling the truth.
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We are saying 'for the millionth time' so frequently because we are going round in circles, and how on earth does that suggest we are not telling the truth??
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Originally Posted by SlackDad
Why would it take time for the effect of non-smokers to return? If there was such a demand for it, coupled with some well placed ads etc, you would think the place would have been heaving.
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Do we know there were well-placed ads?
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Originally Posted by Slackdad
I think this is a nice attempt to discredit a good example which doesn't fit your argument.
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Similarly your use of it is a nice attempt to leap with enthusiasm on the one case mentioned that fits in with your argument.
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Originally Posted by Slackdad
Self-selecting or typical pub/club goers. If your statement is true then what does that say. You would still think that the non-smoking policy of just one out of many alternatives would have drawn enough custom to remain viable.
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Since none of us know anything about why the Lounge closed I suggest it is misleading to use it in such an argument.
I know a LOT of people who would love to be able to go to genuine non-smoking establishments.