Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ian@huth
Most businesses can legally allow smoking on their premises. Read up on the Health and Safety at Work Laws http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/smoking.htm . Pub owners are not that special. Many places where smoking is banned have imposed the ban of their own free will and not as a result of legislation. |
I cannot post the list you requested, because upon further research it appears that you are correct in that many places ban smoking out of their free will. I wonder why.....
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Xaccers
I stated that it can be harmful for my health. Also long term exposure to music at legal levels is harmful to my health.
My point to you and Salu, which for some reason you appear to have deliberately missed (could it be because it defeats your argument?), is that I have the choice to expose myself to such dangers, just as I have the choice to expose myself to the dangers of many other things, such as entering a smoking establishment or crossing the road without looking.
You also have this choice, however you appear to believe that you do not.
|
Ach, you really do not want to drop this do you...
You are not defeating our point at all. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if there are smoking and non-smoking pubs, I can choose which I want to go it. But I don't want to have to choose where I go based on whether or not I will expose myself to harmful cigarette smoke. Sound selfish? Ah well, it has been said a million times already but I still stand by my point. I consider the health of the staff to also be important. Oh and by the way, what happens if you live next door to someone who repeatedly plays their music loud enough for you to hear it? I expect you might ask them to turn it down...similar to me asking someone to stop smoking in my presence...
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Xaccers
So instead of giving the majority of patrons and potential patrons what they want, landlords should cater for the minority of potential patrons and all suffer finacially (as has happened in the other countries which have brought in a blanket ban), risk going out of business (as the lounge did but they won't have someone to buy it up and make a success of it) with the loss of jobs, the reduction in taxes, the increase in alcohol abuse and all that goes with it?
|
Non-smokers are in the majority.
Quote:
A TUC spokesman, Tom Mellish, told BBC Radio 5 Live that studies from eight countries showed places which became smoke-free zones attracted extra customers.
He said: "They all came back with positive results.
"Bars, restaurants and clubs increased their profits and increased their attendances because they're going out to a different market....
Brendan Barber, general secretary elect of the TUC, said the tobacco lobby was using "dubious" surveys which wrongly implied smoking bans would force people out of business.
|
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3015995.stm
What makes you think there would be an increase in alcohol abuse? And furthermore, if there is, doesn't that say that we need to target that in addition to reducing smoking in public places?