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Originally Posted by andymt
im sure we all agree-i dont want to have to download illegally.
but if you think of it logically-
i generally take a fancy to about 15 tracks a month (i like to the extent that i would be willing to pay for them)
79p a track= £11.85 per month on music downloads.
(hmv unlimited package = £10 per month)
so that means im paying £10 per month for tracks that i cant put on my mp3 player. i cant put them on another pc as you only get 1 copy of licence.
you can't rename/change the tags of the file in order to make it fit into your music collection (ie windows media player library)
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I'd agree with you, the restrictions placed on people who do legitimately download music are too restrictive in the main, with the possible exception of iTunes.
However, what's the alternative?
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Originally Posted by andymt
i do have an unlimited subscription with hmv, but having to burn and rip EVERY track i download is just stupid.
and, after burning and riping it, guess what? THE TRACK IS ILLEGAL AS IT ISN'T LISCENCE PROTECTED-JUST THE SAME AS GETTING IT OFF LIMEWIRE THEN!!
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Of course it's not the same as getting it from Limewire. If we were to expand on your analogy then pocketing the £10 note you find in the street is the same as stealing it from someone else's purse, making photocopies of it and then giving the copies to your mates.
Whilst you may be in a technical breach of copyright by ripping the CD back into your PC, so that you can play the song on your iPod, I can categorically tell you right now that, even if you wrote a letter to the CEO of the record company, the management company of the artist and the head of the BPI, telling them all that this is what you'd done - the worst that would happen is that they would laugh at you.
If, on the other hand, you sent letters to the same people telling them that you'd first downloaded a track from Limewite, then burned a few copies for some people you barely knew and then posted the songs you'd found on the newsgroups - I think they might be calling round with a court order.
So, of course it's not the same - and herin lies the problem. You have the record company on the left, you have file-sharer on the right. Each has whipped each other into such a frenzy that there is little common sense being applied anywhere.
If you look back at what you've just posted today, Andy, I can summarise it in a few points:
- Is allofMP3 legitimate?
- I don't want to download illegally.
- I use filesharing systems to download music illegally
- iTunes licensing is too complex
- I can't be bothered downloading legally
- Whatever I have to pay, it's too much
- Making a copy of a song I have bought is the same as downloading it illegally
If I was having this conversation with you in a pub, I'd be laughing my nads off! iTunes licensing is the simplest and most generous of all of them, and DOES allow copies to made for personal use. It DOES allow CDs to be burned. It DOES allow you to back-up the actual audio files. It DOES allow you to make copies onto your iPod. So what's complicated about that?
People who download music in this way, as well as the record companies, need to address this issue like adults. I can already see that the industry has at least given sensible people an alternative - but the bottom line is as I said before - people like things that are a bit dodgy.
You know the bloke in the pub flogging that after shave for a fiver didn't get it from the Calvin Klien warehouse. You know the little Chinese guys outside Farringdon Station selling DVDs of films that aren't even in the cinema yet didn't get them as a present from the Walt Disney Corporation. And you know that downloading music without paying it will ultimately kill off much of the creativity, innovation and great music that has come about in the last few years - but (as the Fast Show said) you're a little whoo, a little bit wha-ay - and that is why people come on here bragging about downloading music to prove what a geezer they are.
These people also wear fake Burberry caps I assume.
it doesn't matter about the moral arguments, it doesn't matter about the financial ones - because you're sticking one up 'the man'.
I hope 'the man' doesn't get pee'd off and start sticking one up you....cos his is much bigger.