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Originally Posted by andyl
We can find evidence, backed by research, which confirms, denies or challenges our opinions. You have made your mind up and no amount of hard evidence is going the change that. Always good to encounter an open mind
No it's not a fact, it's your opinion.
Again, fact or opinion?
Well I'm assuming these people are no longer here given your opinion of immigrants, especially illegal ones, I presume you've reported them, no doubt accompanied by a girlfriend  , to the authorities.
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My current girlfriend (for the past 18 months) is a filipino, she has spent 3 years legally in this country and spent around 3 years in Saudi before that. There is a very strong community of filipinos in Cardiff, with the majority (around 3000 I think) working for the health authority. I have met a lot of them at various parties I have been invited to, and they are a very close community.
They tend to be very keen on making a pound if they can, I think this is genarally due to coming from a background where there is a fair amount of poverty. They tend to take on a venture that will make a pound, where we wouldn't bother for such a small amount. If you need telephone cards Mr X buys them in bulk, Rice is bought in bulk by Mr Y and Booze is supplied by Mr Z. Thats how their community works.
They all seem to live in similar circumstances, my girlfriend shares a 3 bedroom house with 3 other filipino women with one downstairs room converted into the fourth bedroom. (an example of less contribution to the economy) They are all very similar in their goals, ie: to work as many hours as they can to send money back home and purchase property and businesses.
In the past 6 years my girlfriend has worked in foreign countries and bought numerous properties back home, in the last 18 months she has done the following.
*Started a taxi company with Tuk Tuks in Manila.
*Started a company distributing Coffee and Herbal Teas in Manila.
*Bought a piece of land in front of the government department in Manila where driving licences are issued to open a drug testing centre.
*Bought 20 acres of land, installed irrigation pumps and is currently growing vines.
*Bought a plot of land with 2 derelict bungalows.
*Bought a house overlooking the bay in Manila.
The 4 of them share a house and work as many hours as they can manage to basically become property magnates in their own country, this is the general trend amongst all her associates that I have met attending many parties and BBQ's with them. (PS: They eat rice at BBQ's)
The illegal immigrant that I reported has to my knowledge not been found, she like most of them uses many different names and moves around a lot after coming over here on a fake South African passport.
After making many enqiries about her and her friends, by some very underhanded methods I was able to learn a lot more about illegal Zimbabweans in this country, I have even seen an illegal passport and some other illegal South African and Zimbabwean documentation.
I believe my small experience is the tip of a very large iceberg.