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You made a vague statement, seeming based on the "man was not meant to know" principle and assumed that I would go "oh, well Russ says so, therefore it must be right!"
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Ah, reasoned debate? Sorry my bad, what I meant was 'pressumption debate' 
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Now that point *is* beyond me since I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Bad analogy on your part really - I was talking about the power of creating life. Sustaining life (ie medicine) is a different matter.
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Hmm, so what about IVF?
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This is humans tampering with a power we don't yet fully understand
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We ,as a race, try things. We make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from those mistakes.
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I think part of the problem is people tend to assume they have a RIGHT to a baby. It's not a right, it's a privilige. Although I can understand that is hard for people to understand.
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You're right, I *do* find that hard to understand.
How exactly is having babies *not* a right?
I've not heard of any cases of someone being *denied* the right to have babies, not even people who have eg congenital diseases, except in certain totalitarian regimes.