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Old 20-08-2005, 07:05   #24
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Re: ??..New T&Cs..??

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Did those who received the new T&C by post also receive the new User Policy?

I notice that the AUP has changed again. I was still under the impression that I had a download limit of 1GB/day. I now see that I have a usage allowance (downstream &/or upstream) of 30 GB/month. Much more flexible, but it would have been nice to know about it before it came into force.



Works out about the same, surely?

It's not the same at all.
With 1GB/day, if you didn't use your daily allowance it would be lost for good.
With 30GB/month, you can use it however you want. If you took a 2 week holiday at the begining of the month, your 30GB limit would still be available to use over the following 2 weeks.
Yeah- but if you use the service evenly, 1 GB/day is about 30 GB/month. I realise the monthly one is way more flexible- except when you go over the 1 GB/day more.
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... and if one is that bothered, there are always other ISPs
That may be true for some, but not for all. And think of the person who posted the following: I have had mine but as I want the connection and I am happy with the connection so I have to accept the T&C or lose the connection.

Surely, the crux of this matter is the fact that ntl are changing the rules and the rule changes are going to affect many members in a negative fashion. Why should someone change an ISP that is providing a technically good service because someone in a managerial department who knows nothing (and cares less) of the services offered by the company decides to make a move concerned purely with the opportunity to leverage more cash out of the business. Probably someone akin to whoever decides not to spend some cash on Customer Service.

At one time if a company were supplying rubber widgets that company would have never employed a person in any string pulling position who knew nothing of the business of rubber widgets. Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. This new breed of manager might show a profit, but I often wonder how much greater that profit might have been if these guys understood their products, their customers, and the effects of their changes on customer attitudes.

No reasonable person would object to any company changing rules as long as the rules did not intrude on their lives. But I believe this change will.

I have just been in contact with my daughter who I knew was thinking of getting an ntl phone and I was going to tell her to reconsider. Unfortunately, she said the phone had already been installed. The following is a snip from our conversation

19/08/2005 22:26:11 Eric Soph if u read it carefully it says they are giving out our details to selected third parties to contact us

19/08/2005 22:27:04 Soph Eric oh yeh i know that the day we had the phone installed before even we knew what the number was we had ppl ringin about conservatories and windows and sky and all sorts

If that doesnââ‚ÆšÂ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t prove the likely effects of this latest ntl †œgood ideaââ‚ ¬Ã‚ of selling our data, what does?

Suffice to say, and if any senior ntl bods are reading this please believe me, do not be surprised if your home phone starts ringing at peculiar times, for it will be myself complaining to you. That is not a threat but a sincere promise. All it requires is one phone call to my number initiated by ntlââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s actions.

To say that I am annoyed is a gross understatement.

Before anyone tells me to change my ISP..........I believe it's too late!

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In anticipation, any appropriate names and phone numbers gratefully received by PM!





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Yeah, I appreciate it's not the right thing and can see why people are that annoyed with it- as it stands, Cable is one of the better ways of connecting to the internet and if it works, NTL BB is pretty good. There's no technical reason to change and if they're enforcing silly T+Cs it's a crying shame, as well as if they're not treating the customers well...

However there is still the choice to get a BT line and have ADSL, if ntl are kinda forcing you off the connection with silly T+Cs, that was more the point, it is a free market...
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