Yes upgraded MP10 I will reinstall Pinncale then, its just a pest as if I played certain formats of video like .avi it would come up and demand to be updated.
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Installed Nero ( *found* a copy ) and so far seems to be working, with my old drive i ripped off all the nero style stuff and run it on the windows burner seems this one wants Nero.
Sheesh

guys for your help