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Originally Posted by Graham
Until people realise that this is not the case it seems pointless trying to have a sensible discussion on this topic.
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So .... unless we agree with your view, discussion is pointless ?
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Same old story: someone claims that people who support the human rights don't give a damn about victims
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Who claimed that then ?
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someone asserts that punishing criminals is the only way to make society a better/ safer/ more civilised place (why hasn't it worked so far, then?)
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Someone else asserts that
not punishing criminals is the only way to make society a better/ safer/ more civilised place - that's working well isn't it
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Originally Posted by Graham
the "string them up" brigade just want to make people suffer even more (like that's going to make the world a better place)
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The "do gooder" brigade just want to slap them on the wrist and say 'please don't do it again' - Like that's going to make the world a better place.
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Originally Posted by Graham
straw men are set up and knocked down (like that's going to help a reasoned debate...) 
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Um, okay.