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Originally Posted by paulyoung666
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Is this another example of the False Dilemma logical fallacy? Looks like it to me...
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Originally Posted by scastle
what somebody is wearing is not relevant to their behaviour. However, it is a sad fact that a lot of people do use first impressions to form an opinion of someone, and they will make assumptions about a person based on clothing and appearances.
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One final word. Bluewater is a privately run centre. They set the rules as to what people can or can't wear in their centre. They could suddenly ban people who wear (for a silly example) pink shirts, and we would have no real right to question it.
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Yes, I don't deny or dispute that. What I object to, as I said in my first post, is tarring everyone with the same brush.
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Did you complain like this a few years ago when Harrods banned ripped jeans from the store?
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I didn't know they had done this. But is what Bluewater have done any less prejudicial than banning young black people because they're probably muggers?
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Originally Posted by Graham
The assumption here seems to be that someone who is wearing a hoodie/ baseball cap is automatically considered to be a criminal.
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It doesn't take a genius to work out that they are wearing these hoods to disguise/hide their facial features so that they cannot be detected by the cameras as I am sure you will agree. |
I cannot help what you are "sure" of, but please don't make assumptions about what I will or will not agree with. Also please don't use insulting phrases like "it doesn't take a genius" implying that anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
Yes, I am sure that *SOME* people who wear hoodies or caps do so to hide their faces from cameras. This does *NOT*, however, mean that *all* people who wear hoodies or caps are doing it for that reason and I most certainly would not agree with someone who claimed that.
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The Bluewater security will have noticed by incredible coincidence that the crime is being comitted by people they find hard to see their faces.
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But not *ALL* those whose faces they can't see are criminals.
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the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few sometimes.... the many being the general public and the shopkeepers. The few being those who refuse to put their hood down as opposed to those who happen to be wearing a hooded jacket.
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Ah, good old Vulcan logic, but once again something like that is used to justify what is, when it comes down to it, simple prejudice.
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Of course not everyone who wears a hood will be a criminal but surely it is not too harsh to ask everyone to put their hood down whilst in the centre? It's hardly artic conditions in there....
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And whilst they're at it, if shoplifters have been noted to hide stuff under coats, why not get them to take their coats off too? Or make them leave bags at the entrance to the centre instead of taking them with them? And why not fingerprint and photograph everyone who goes into the centre? Surely it's not too much to ask...???
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Originally Posted by Salu
How would *you* help prevent crime in shopping centres done by youths using hoods and caps as facial disguises?
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...if you are so protective of their *rights*
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And once again people demand that because I support someone's rights and dislike prejudice, I have to solve the problems of the world...
