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Ah, a cop out.
Now imagine you were single and try answering the question again. This time sensibly.
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Because you gave a glib response that had nothing to do with what I was asking.
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it is based on the same for the alternatives in the here and now not almost 20 years ago. But for you I will give you an answer.
With this new question are you questioning my loyalty to the woman of my dreams before I met her ?
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I am asking exactly what I asked.
If a woman came up to you and made persistant advances and would not take "no" for an answer (or even "f-off") would you use physical violence against her (as you have already said you would against a gay man who did the same) in order to "teach her a good hard lesson"?
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Originally Posted by Salu
I was not arguing that history is a reason for banning of gay marriage. I was saying that it has become acceptable practice over many years for marriage to be man and woman. Acceptable majorative practice has become a recognise benchmark over centuries. Murder for example.
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Excuse me??? What the *hell* does this have to do with the subject under discussion? Is anyone here advocating that murder *should* be acceptable?
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Gay marriage may be *in* today but out in 20 years. There have always been fads. What makes you think it is here to stay? [rhetorical - not addressed to you] Has it not been considered before? Have we suddenly seen the light in today's society? Interesting questions.....
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In our society IMO we have only just developed sufficiently to be able to consider such a thing in a rational and sensible manner and not respond with automatic prejudiced revulsion that this is simply "unnatural" or "deviant" etc.
However it's interesting to note that in other cultures the concept *has* been acceptable see
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/gaymarry.htm for some more information eg:
"Segal pointed to "sanctified same-sex unions in the fourth century in Christianity" and to the Greeks and Romans applying the concept of marriage to same-sex couples, not to mention the Native American berdache tradition in which males married males."
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Originally Posted by dr wadd
Or could this be another example of citing an argument that is entirely dependent on you picking and choosing which aspects are valid purely on the grounds of whether they support your opinion or not?
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....like abusing young boys.....?
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Again you use a pejorative word in place of an argument.
In Greek society it was not considered abuse at all, but the purest form of love (since it was not done for reproduction) and it was entirely acceptable for a young boy to be mentored by an older man.