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Yes, of course, because they have been *forced* into that by the prejudices of the "heterosexual community" in the past.
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For a split second I actually thought you were agreeing with someone!
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But whilst they're still faced with the attitudes that some people have that what they're doing is "unnatural" or "a sin" or "deviant" or "not normal" it's a bit different.
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But it
*is* unnatural Graham, by definition (Dictionary=Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature) ie it's not usual. Neither is it normal; ie what the majority of people in society are, something like 0.5% of the population is gay. It is also deviant as I mentioned earlier. So that's why they face the attitudes of others. The majority of society must feel something against what they are doing or else they would be wholly accepted into society. I don't believe they are...
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Yes, there are courageous people who have stood up and created organisation like Gay Pride and promoted themselves as natural and normal, but not everybody can or would do that because of lingering prejudices.
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"Courageous?.....perhaps....but maybe verging on militant from what I have seen. Nevertheless you have to admire them for standing up for what they believe in whether you agree or not....I can't agree that it's natural and normal though. If natural and normal are formed by the majority then the antithesis must be unnatural etc...
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No, of course we don't know for certain, but that ignorance is not a valid reason to *deny* gay couples the right to adopt any more than a couple being of mixed races was not a valid reason either.
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Oooooh another semi agreement
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But the people most likely to abuse a child are very often their own "heterosexual" biological parents! Not the most useful argument in this discussion |
You're very keen for people to show evidence so I would bounce this back to you. What is your evidence?
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Yes, that is a precise dictionary definition of the word, however to use it solely in that manner is to ignore the underlying implications that go along with it when it's used by some people.
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It's either a definition or not. Maybe you should write to the Oxford English Dictionary and express your concerns?
Seriously though I understand that we can't be that prescriptive but I do wonder how many people would agree that is it "normal". A lot would use the wicca saying mentioned previously "If it doesn't affect me then let them do it..." type of thing...but there is immense pressure from the politically correct world we live in to say that. I wonder how many people actually DO feel nonplussed by it. Most blokes I meet when seeing other men kiss for example, do something on the lines of "errrrrrrrrrr [wincing slightly] make some funny comment and then add the token line of ".....but it's OK for them" or "whatever turns you on". The women however don't always have that extreme reaction. Likewise if a man sees two women kiss he may actively encourage it
whereas the women wince again....
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Pardon me if I think that sounds somewhat hypocritical as you seem to be saying one thing and doing another.
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Why?
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All the majority of gays want is for others to mind their own business and let them live their lives in their own ways. If we deny them that right or deny information to those who want to know more about their sexuality and feelings, we're end up with that "ghettoisation" you mentioned at the top of this post.
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If it were just homosexuality then most would probably agree with you. I wouldn't condone it but I accept that it happens etc. But what we are talking about here is adopting/raising children. As I mentioned before we do not know the potential outcomes and we should be very careful before we put the gay couples rights above the childs.
We are also talking about gay marriage. This is not right. Marriage is for men and women. It is now (in UK) and always has been. It should not be available for gays. However recognising long term partnership for gay couples, legally should be catered for. One should not lose their long term home if their partner dies because they are not seen as a partner in the law.