[Russ]

Originally Posted by Graham

Not semantics, genetic engineering.

But however you create the child, you have not proven by any means that a man and a woman are required to bring up a child.

So we're back to the days where Graham's opinion is the only opinion then.

Originally Posted by Graham

Again with this word "natural".

Unfortunately what "natural" tends to mean in this sort of case is "what I am familiar with" or "what I approve of".

As above.

Originally Posted by Graham

I suggest you look at the prevalence of homosexual (older male, younger male) relationship in societies such as the Ancient Greeks and Spartans.

For them such behaviour was considered entirely "natural". Just because it's not something that happens today (or that you don't like it) doesn't make it less valid

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As above. *They* may have considered it natural, but I don't. I'm entitled to my options Graham just as you are. And just as I don't agree with you does not make me wrong.

Originally Posted by Graham

So, once again, because Russ D doesn't like it, it's "unnatural".

Now you're getting the hang of it! Yes, if it's my opinion!!

Originally Posted by Graham

Sorry, how exactly is that *unnatural*? Just because mummy and daddy are different colours??

I didn't say that was unnatural.

Originally Posted by Graham

Of course, but your objections seem to be that because *you* would have trouble *they* shouldn't be allowed to do this.

(sigh) Yes Graham, because...and get this....."it's my opinion".

Originally Posted by Graham

If a couple, be they straight, gay, mixed race or whatever are capable of bringing up a child in a loving and caring relationship, why should they *not* be allowed to adopt just because someone thinks it's "unnatural" according to their personal beliefs?

Graham....I'd swear you're doing this just to wind me up but something tells me you're honestly not.....you show me where I've said they should not be allowed to adopt, please. Oh that's right, you can't - because I didn't say it. I don't agree with it but I'm not trying to change the law or prevent anyone from doing it.

Originally Posted by Graham

Yet you object to gay adoption because you want children to be brought up in a "natural"(!) environment.

I sense a slight contradiction here...!

Well yes Graham, you would wouldn't you. Read my posts again, I've never said they should be brought up in a "natural"(!) environment - my views, if you'd bothered to enquire, would be their upbringing should be as "natural as possible". A difference.