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Originally Posted by Damien
Well what ever you listened to (odd radio 4 will talk to two different people from the CBI on successive nights), the head of the CBI has said quite clearly that it will damage business. Also just because he doesn't agree doesn't mean it wasn't a balanced response. He has said that it will damage business, as many have said. Do we ignore what experts say?
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The person you quoted is not talking about what the tories are proposing.
He's talking about a definite cap which has not been devised through negotiations with industry.
I don't know of any party that is proposing that (apart from maybe the BNP where their cap is set at -250,000)
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Originally Posted by Damien
We are not talking about finalizing details, we are talking about the basic idea. The Tories have not given any idea how this would work, they simply say 'we will have off-shore processing centers' with no existing model to refer to and no idea how it would work. In short, there are promising something which they have no idea how to do it.
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You say we're not talking about finalising details, but then you want finalised details
They have explained in detail how it will work according to their plans, the only thing they cannot do is say where these centres will be simply because they are not in a political position to do such a thing.
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Originally Posted by Damien
So if we need immigrants for a certain task and the quotas full they can still come. Also if a asylum seeker arrives and is totally genuine, came from Zimbabwe and is in real danger of being killed if he returns then we will still let him in?
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You're not understanding what the tories or myself have said.
The immigration quotas will be geared through continual negotiations with industry so that the skills that industry requires. Should there be a sudden requirment for skills that had not been taken into account, then the cap can be modified so that we can accept workers that we need.
Under the Tory plan, it would be forcing the UN to take charge of asylum seeker placements as they are supposed to. Any excess over the limits would be refered to the UN for placement. Genuine asylum seekers would not be sent back where they came from by a Tory goverment.
Oh and in light of how Labour view the situation, Zimbabwe is a very very bad example to give for asylum seekers, between January and November 2004 1,825 of the 2,025 Zimbabweans who applied for asylum were refused it.
They're being sent back to Mugabe as we speak.