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Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble
Did I say they were people from inside the EU? I thought I made it clear by saying they were illegally living and working here. They were from non-EU eastern european countries. I find it amusing that you say immigration is controlled, but when I point out specific cases you say the numbers aren't worth worrying about. If I pointed out a high-rise with 1000 in it, would that be 'cause for concern'? This is just a couple of houses that I personally know the whereabouts of. Do you honestly think these are the only ones around the London area, or the UK? If you do, then you're very naive. I point you back to the article I linked to in the week 2 thread, which you either didn't see or chose not to reply to as it doesn't back up your view. The government itself conservatively estimates over half a million illegal immigrants living inside the UK. Immigration is not controlled. How can it be controlled when we let people into this country on holiday or short term visas, but don't keep a check to see if they leave or not.
This ex-girlfriend of mine had a friend who came over around the same time and had already been deported from Ireland for overstaying her visa and working when she shouldn't. She had a stamp in her passport to this end, but this was taken care of with a bit of money to the right person and then voila, she was able to get a short-term student visa to the UK from one of our consulates. When she got here, she didn't even register with the college. She started working in a large heathrow hotel and living in one of these houses, but found the house too crowded, so left and started living in another house like this (I don't know where this one is) in the Islington area and working in a major london hotel.
The agency my ex got her student visa through told her that she didn't have to do things legally if she didn't want to as they knew people in London that could get her papers and jobs. Once I dropped this friend of my exes off at one of these agencies, run by a russian guy, just off the Strand in a very nice looking building. Not exactly shoestring budget, backstreet operation by the looks of it.
I look at your faith in the immigration service and then at my experience of how easy it is to get in here, get false papers, NI numbers etc. and laugh. I don't believe immigration is controlled. Some parts might be to a very slight extent, but the whole system is flawed and is by no means whatsoever controlled. You seem to think all the people coming in to this country will play by the rules, but they don't and there are plenty of people making money from helping them get round the poor system we have in place.
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Yes I know there are cases of abuse. We do seem to have a problem with tax avoiding truck drivers who are only too willing to accept money from people smugglers, job agencies who spend most of their time exploiting local workers, accepting contracts from employers who turn a blind eye to employing people whose stay may not be legal. No doubt these same people vote Tory.
In this country the immigration service is responsible for controlling immigration and I'm sure they must be getting rather bored with headline grabbing Tory politicians seeking publicity. The immigration service & Inland Revenue are active in tracking down and dealing with illegal activities. Deportations take place regularly and unfortunatetly a number of genuine cases end up being deported.
You need to remember that over 350,000 UK citizens on average leave the UK every year becoming immigrants themselves elsewhere. So in the end any illegals can only be insignificant.
The Tories really ought to be explaining how their tax proposals and schemes for the economy are going to make sense, but of course they can't since this would expose the programme for job losses.