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Lord Nikon · 27-08-2003, 18:27

Its not JUST about the chip, although it DOES look to infringe the right to privacy and move towards an orwelian 1984esque state, its about the "47 new offences" they want to introduce.

Laws that make things safer are a good thing, but in recent years we have seen WAY too many rights REMOVED from the people.

The only people who have improved their rights in this country recently are criminals and children.

Burglar gets hurt breaking into your house? He will sue you for damages.
Child gets smacked for acting up? you are looking at child abuse charges.

Tell me how THAT improves things?

Tell me how the police being able to charge you with exceeding the speed limit briefly is gonna help the country? irrespective of WHY you exceeded it?
Tell me how the police being able to track the location, speed, and usage of a vehicle helps the country?

Bear in mind that there is ONE instance when you can LEGALLY drive a car without an MOT when it needs one.... That is when you are taking it to or from an MOT Center for a PRE ARRANGED MOT or taking it to or from a Garage for work to be carried out on it for an MOT.

The chip will merely detect you driving without an MOT and prosecute you accordingly. With the police at least you can explain that you are going to an MOT center and they can check, then send you on your way without charging you.

Currently you can not tax a car without the log book, can't get number plates made without a log book. Why?

Why would you want to tax a car that wasn't yours? not likely...

If they want proof of the ownership of a vehicle then why not do as they did before? proof of address.

I found one place back in feb that "bent" the rules, I needed a new number plate for the front of a car I bought from a scrapyard so I could get its MOT sorted. The car passed first time, and was taxed on the last day before the law changed.

I did not have the log book for the vehicle, yet had purchased it legally, MOTd it, replaced a damaged (half missing) front number plate, and registered the change of ownership on time... it was insured fully comp and everything is 100% fine. the time between purchasing and using it was a WEEK.(I had to wait for the insurance covernote so I could tax it, and had to do a couple of small repairs for the MOT)

Same vehicle now?

Day 1, Purchase car and have it transported to your home
Day 2 - Book MOT and do any obvious jobs
Day 7 - Passes MOT, unable to tax until log book arrives

Day 30 - log book arrives, finally able to tax vehicle, 4 TIMES longer to do than before the law changed.

Don't you just love it?

27-08-2003, 18:27	#51
Lord Nikon Inactive Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NW UK Posts: 3,546	Its not JUST about the chip, although it DOES look to infringe the right to privacy and move towards an orwelian 1984esque state, its about the "47 new offences" they want to introduce. Laws that make things safer are a good thing, but in recent years we have seen WAY too many rights REMOVED from the people. The only people who have improved their rights in this country recently are criminals and children. Burglar gets hurt breaking into your house? He will sue you for damages. Child gets smacked for acting up? you are looking at child abuse charges. Tell me how THAT improves things? Tell me how the police being able to charge you with exceeding the speed limit briefly is gonna help the country? irrespective of WHY you exceeded it? Tell me how the police being able to track the location, speed, and usage of a vehicle helps the country? Bear in mind that there is ONE instance when you can LEGALLY drive a car without an MOT when it needs one.... That is when you are taking it to or from an MOT Center for a PRE ARRANGED MOT or taking it to or from a Garage for work to be carried out on it for an MOT. The chip will merely detect you driving without an MOT and prosecute you accordingly. With the police at least you can explain that you are going to an MOT center and they can check, then send you on your way without charging you. Currently you can not tax a car without the log book, can't get number plates made without a log book. Why? Why would you want to tax a car that wasn't yours? not likely... If they want proof of the ownership of a vehicle then why not do as they did before? proof of address. I found one place back in feb that "bent" the rules, I needed a new number plate for the front of a car I bought from a scrapyard so I could get its MOT sorted. The car passed first time, and was taxed on the last day before the law changed. I did not have the log book for the vehicle, yet had purchased it legally, MOTd it, replaced a damaged (half missing) front number plate, and registered the change of ownership on time... it was insured fully comp and everything is 100% fine. the time between purchasing and using it was a WEEK.(I had to wait for the insurance covernote so I could tax it, and had to do a couple of small repairs for the MOT) Same vehicle now? Day 1, Purchase car and have it transported to your home Day 2 - Book MOT and do any obvious jobs Day 7 - Passes MOT, unable to tax until log book arrives Day 30 - log book arrives, finally able to tax vehicle, 4 TIMES longer to do than before the law changed. Don't you just love it?