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Originally Posted by Graham
Which countries? The former Soviet Union? The old Eastern Europe? Communist China?
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Well, assuming you've done some research into ID cards rather than just reading the anti literature that has been put out in this country, then I'm sure you'll be able to name at least two democracies with ID cards.
Or have you not actually done much research into that?
It's ok, we won't hold it against you.
And again I ask:
Exactly what new information will the database hold that will enable all these abuses which isn't already held by the government?
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Originally Posted by Graham
Oh gods, Xaccers, this argument is *OLD* is has been done time and again in these threads and I'm not going to point out the flaws in it *yet* again.
Go and search the old threads where you will find the difference between having a licence to drive (something you *choose* to have) and having a "licence to walk down the street" (something which the government wants to *compel* you to have).
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Or you could explain why something which just helps give evidence to show that the information you are giving is true is some how a "right to exist card" rather than dodging the question.
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Originally Posted by graham
I suggest you try to convince Me283 of that!
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You appear to be one of the people who needs convincing as per your next statement:
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Xaccers, the point is that *ANY* scheme introduced *will* be a government scheme and it will *NOT* be a "well planned and implemented scheme". Ye gods, they can't even get the MI5 system right and that's supposed to protect us from terrorism!!!
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So, how about giving some valid arguments against a well thought out and properly implimented ID card system? Or are you unable to think of any?
After all, does there have to be arguments againt it? Would such an ID scheme work?
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Originally Posted by Graham
people in this country have fought *WARS* to protect!!
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While people at home quite happily carried ID cards!
Oh the irony!
Again, what rights will be lost?
You currently don't have the right to give false information to goverment officials
You currently don't have the right to refuse to give most of the information the goverment is putting in the database
You currently have the right by your existence to be able to walk down a public right of way, that didn't change during WW2, it ain't changing with this proposal
So far no losses...