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Old 08-04-2005, 14:31   #98
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Re: ID card Bill dropped

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Originally Posted by Graham
What is the point of talking about something that isn't going to happen??

But this is what's going to happen with *this* scheme:

"It is important to keep in mind that the card will be buttressed by a vast array of new state powers and criminal penalties. The Bill creates a score of new offences including refusal to obey an order from the Secretary of State (6(4)), failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or defective card (13(1)), failure to renew a card (9(2)), failure to submit to fingerprinting (9(4)(b)), failure to provide information demanded by the government (9(4)(d)), failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time (9(4)(a)) and failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal circumstances (including change of address) (12(1)). Failure to obey an order to register or providing false information will also constitute an offence. Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment. A penalty of up to £2,500 can be levied for failure to attend an appointment for a scan of your fingerprints and iris. This fine can be repeated for every subsequent failure to attend."

http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/faq.php#15
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Sorry? If I'm employing someone and they're illegally claiming benefits, how am *I*, as an employer "being conned"?



It might save money. At the cost of dumping yet another load or Red Tape and regulation on many small businesses who are *already* suffering under the huge amount of extraneous rubbish they're having to deal with which would probably cost much more to introduce and administer than any possible savings.

And it would, once again, force the *businessman* to become an unpaid government employee (after already collecting VAT, NI and Income Tax etc) and if they make a mistake it's the *businessman* who is liable for the error!



There are an awful lot of "If"s in that last section. Can you actually back them up with any *proof* or is your argument just "I think it would work, let's spend billions on this system to find out"??
No Graham, I can't, because fraud is an unknown quantity, which is the point I've been trying to make all along. Yes there are a lot of ifs, but there are pretty much no certainties. If it is implemented...etc etc. Yes there are other "if"s, and I am not going to list them, before you try saying there is only one.
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