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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Could someone please list the civil rights which will be lost if well thought out and properly implimented id cards are introduced (not the crappy id cards labour wants)?
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What is the point of talking about something that isn't going to happen??
But this is what's going to happen with *this* scheme:
"It is important to keep in mind that the card will be buttressed by a vast array of new state powers and criminal penalties. The Bill creates a score of new offences including refusal to obey an order from the Secretary of State (6(4)), failure to notify authorities about a lost, stolen, damaged or defective card (13(1)), failure to renew a card (9(2)), failure to submit to fingerprinting (9(4)(b)), failure to provide information demanded by the government (9(4)(d)), failure to attend an interview at a specified place and time (9(4)(a)) and failure to notify the Secretary of State of any change in personal circumstances (including change of address) (12(1)). Failure to obey an order to register or providing false information will also constitute an offence. Penalties range from £1,000 fine to two years imprisonment. A penalty of up to £2,500 can be levied for failure to attend an appointment for a scan of your fingerprints and iris. This fine can be repeated for every subsequent failure to attend."
http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/faq.php#15
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Originally Posted by me283
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Originally Posted by Graham
Of course the crooked employers aren't going to abide by this anyway, so it will only impact on honest businesses!
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Sorry? If I'm employing someone and they're illegally claiming benefits, how am *I*, as an employer "being conned"?
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And even if there were, the ID card scheme wouldn't help in eradicating that fraud, would it? And if it did, it wouldn't save money, would it? Oh, actually it would.
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It might save money. At the cost of dumping yet another load or Red Tape and regulation on many small businesses who are *already* suffering under the huge amount of extraneous rubbish they're having to deal with which would probably cost much more to introduce and administer than any possible savings.
And it would, once again, force the *businessman* to become an unpaid government employee (after already collecting VAT, NI and Income Tax etc) and if they make a mistake it's the *businessman* who is liable for the error!
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And there are many types of fraud that are presently undetected. If the ID card scheme helps to prevent them, all the better. If, in turn it frees up fraud prevention officers' time to pursue other types of fraud, better again.
And if the ID card scheme is introduced... YIPPEE!!
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There are an awful lot of "If"s in that last section. Can you actually back them up with any *proof* or is your argument just "I think it would work, let's spend billions on this system to find out"??