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Originally Posted by me283
OK, you are clearly missing one point, and ignoring another... or your maths isn't too good, I'm not sure which.
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Really? Let's see...
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Firstly, fraud savings can only be estimated, because a lot of fraud goes undetected.
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Yes, that's true, but as I already pointed out the BA are unlikely to *under* estimate the value of fraud and I think that goes for the government as well!
Secondly, however, ID cards are *not* going to stop the vast majority of benefit fraud a lot of which is people working and claiming unless you are going to require *every* employer to perform ID checks on *every* employee to ensure that they're not claiming benefits.
Of course the crooked employers aren't going to abide by this anyway, so it will only impact on honest businesses!
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Second point, the figure you quote relates to one type of fraud only, therefore it is the minimum estimate; my previous post stated that there would be many types of fraud. Now, a simple man might acknowledge that there would be savings from each type of fraud, therefore those savings would need to be added together.
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But it has already been acknowleged that ID Cards would *NOT* stop the other types of fraud!!
"The majority of fraud on the benefits system is through under-reporting of income, or non-reporting of financial and family circumstances. Benefits agencies worldwide agree that false identity is not a key issue"
http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/faq.php#8
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I am not sure if you didn't understand what I was saying, or were merely being difficult in an attempt to make me look foolish or ridicule me... I suspect the latter.
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I am not trying to make anyone look foolish, I leave that up to them.
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for regardless of whether you like it, this scheme could well be introduced by the next Government. If so, it will be interesting to see the amount saved.
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Yes, I'm sure that if Labour get in, they will try to force this through and squander huge amounts of public money on a system that will not work, that will be open to abuse and fraud(!), that will certainly (it's a government IT project!) go over budget and not operate properly...
Any "savings" that *may* be created will be utterly swamped.
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Other countries have ID card systems and they don't have that problem.
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Other countries *DO NOT* have the system that this government is proposing!!!
"Clause 1 and Schedule 1 of the Bill sets out more than fifty categories of information required for the register"
Read this list:
http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/faq.php#7
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If they made it compulsary and replaced driving licences with it, I bet you'd get one rather than give up driving.
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Sure, after all, it's not as if there's any problem with people at present driving without licences or insurance, is it???