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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Perhaps TW can expand on what happened?
Escpecially when it sounds like the 13 year old involved was found guilty of a custodial offence.
Could it have been that TW was defending someone against this 13 year old?
Or are you saying that if someone under 18 attacks you, then you shouldn't defend yourself?
Ok, so what has changed to make that NSPCC statement to be completely inaccurate 50+ years ago but valid now?
How is it that millions of children were exposed to corporal punishment, but didn't go on to become violent thugs, but you slap a kid today and it'll start bullying others?
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The lad was 15. He had been giving my disabled mother grief for several months, kicking and smashing my parents fence, throwing things at the windows. ONe day whilst I was there, it started, my mother against my advice went to chase them. They didnt see me come out the back door, as I got to the back gate, one had hold of my mother with his fist drwn back ready to punch her.
Needless to say he didnt get the chance, come to think of it how I didnt kill him I dont know. yes I punched him, yes I kicked him, yes I kicked him half way down the street, then started on his mates who legged it.
He called the police, and if it wasnt for a neighbour I would have been arrested, he told them I was defending my disabled mother. and if he thought I was over reacting would have stopped me.
But I guess in this world we live in, he should have been allowed to punch a disabled women, with an 80% mobility problem, brittle bones, crumbling spine thats inoperable with arthiritis both forms in every single joint of her body, and maybe it should have been made out he was good little boy, that was just highly strung, or spirited doing what boys do.
I probably was in the wrong, maybe I shouldn't have tried to kick his head from his body, perhaps I shouldn't have tried to smash my toes through his ribs. Do I regret it?
No.
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Originally Posted by andyl
Those of you who think prison is easy really should visit one. I've visited three and it is frankly laughable to suggest that being detained in one is somehow easy. Add to that that prison really doesn't work as the recidivism rates are apallingly high.
National Service? I wouldn't let my kids do National Service. Not a chance.
There seems to be a lot of knee jerk reactions being espoused. I don't have easy answers but I would say that wilst crime should be punished the higher aim should be to prevent re-offending (and indeed to prevent offending in the first place) which means, fore example, providing decent education and support, inside and outside prison.
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3 of my mates work as prison officers. They find the place a joke. They say its not tough, the threat of violence is there yes, but when you live by the sword......
People dont pity them, yes they do have TV's,. yes they do have 3 meals a day, yes they do have recreational facilites, yes they can get an education.
Or they can wallow in self pity, get out realise lifes harder outside, and re-offend.
IOnside you dont need:-
Money
to pay bills
pay tax
provide a roof over your head
Outside, you have to:-
pay rent or a mortgage
pay your bills
buy food
get money
a glimpse of a prison is by no means a complete view.
depending on categories of prison depends on what luxuries they are allowed. None of them have a poor standard of living. None of them are starving or malnurished.
Yes they dont have any freedom, but isnt prison a punishment? no it isnt, apparently prison is not designed to punish, its designed to rehabilitate.
No matter how you look at it, its failing as both a punishmnet and a rehabilitation.
As for being glad a 13 year old got a life sentence and not saddned by the thought he may get the **** kicked out of him inside. The little ******* aged 12, raped a woman!!!!!!
If he could do that at 12, and after being abused himself what kind of threat was he going to be when older?
Or is it a case of he'll grow up? its just a kid thing, excuse me if I'm wrong, there a serious problem when a 12 year old commits rape.
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Originally Posted by Russ D
As I've said, physical punishment is IMO for the parents only. Woe betide anyone who decides to administer punishment on to my daughter like that. They'll find themselves in court faster than you can say "it's for their own good"
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Russ, in a sense I understand what your saying, but by having that attitude your saying your daughter does not have to respect anyone that is a figure of authority, simply because your stance renders that authority powerless. What can they do......."I'm going to see your father" not exactly going to command an ounce of respect is it?
What if your daughter had a knife to someones throat? Would you still try and sue if they laid a finger on her?
And I pray you dont say my daughter will never do that. I'm pretty sure hitlers parents didn't think he would kill millions.
I'm sure your parenting will teach your daughter better than that, I'm not saying we should go out and belt kids for the fun of it, but in some circumstances like my own, its difficult to do anything other than smack em one.