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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze
I hope the youngster you described in your previous post does get the help he needs before he goes off the rails.
At the same time I can quote from personal experience two friends who IMO both fell of the straight and narrow.
The first friend live across the street from me untill I joined the army. His parents had always been too fond of the drink, and as such grew up in a disfunctional family environment. In the end my friend was sent down for 12 years (I believe), for membership of a ''Loyalist'' terrorist organisation, possession (explosive and firearms) and conspirecy to commit murder.
So did his sh***y family background make him become a possible terrorist and murderer?
Second friend came from a stable family background, but still ended up becomming a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation. So what made him become a *******?
No easy answers to either senario I think.
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There's not a causal link between background/upbringing and criminality but there is a clear correlation. Your right, it's not an easy thing to determine why people choose certain paths but a lack of moral guidance certainly doesn't help and at the end of the day kids aren't to blame for getting the sh*tty end of life's stick. I would simply like to see more invested in preventing kids getting into trouble so that less needs to be invested in cleaning up the mess after they've got in trouble.
If a young kid (say 9-10) gets in bother because his parent's are not caring, disciplining or controlling him/her properly I'm not sure it's right to label that child a yob or whatever. They're simply too young, impressionable and easy led at that age - they need help, not labelling. And I speak as someone who spends a fair amount of time helping care, control and discipline (well, shouting at) various kids around here - it's like breakfast and after school club around here (and I work from home too!!). Hope this has got me a sympathy vote!

Actually, annoying and cheeky as the local kids can be, generally they keep me smiling.
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Originally Posted by Russ D
I agree - if I went out each weekend and got totally off my face on lager, regardless of my upbringing I'd rightly be called a drunk.
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Probably not. You'd just blend in nicely with everyone else in the pubs and clubs of Britain I reckon (although you'd blend in even better if you were off your face on WKD or JD