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Originally Posted by Graham
Why did they have "no other choice"? Or was it that, as the next generation came along, they *became* part of British Society?
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That was the point I made - The British were less inclined to make allowances and expected immigrants to fit into the british way of life. |
I think you miss the point. Kids have the knack of picking up whatever they are exposed to and will tend to "fit in" with what's around them. It often causes trouble in their community when their parents try to force them into a different cultural mould. Eventually they come to an accommodation between the two cultures.
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Originally Posted by Graham
So what *is* "British indigenous culture"?
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Sunday roast with beef, Pork, Lamb - whatever. Maybe a pint in the pub.
I could probably think of more if I tried - but even these simple things are quintessentially British - you won't find them in Germany, Holland or France.
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So those are *some* things that *some* British people do. However they're not obligatory to be "British" are they? Nor are supporting Man Utd/ Liverpool/ Arsenal/ whoever, or watching cricket or going Morris Dancing or going to church on a Sunday or...
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And there are already at least 2 things in that list you couldn't share with a Muslim.
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I don't drink. I can't remember the last time I ate Roast Pork, does that make me "not British"? Of course not.
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Originally Posted by Graham
And you don't grass your mates up to the Police, teacher, whoever, no matter whether you're black, white, asian or anything else.
Don't try to imply that this is *exclusive* to Muslims.
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Maybe you would protect your 'mates' - although I'd think a lot less of anyone who protected their 'mates' from justice if that was what they deserved. [/quote]
The point I was trying to make is not what *I* would necessarily do, but that there exist in many cultures/ groups "rules" that you don't drop your mates in the cacky. I also didn't say that it was a good thing.
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There are some things we can accept from no-one.
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And especially not from group (insert name here).
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But we're talking about extending that protection to people you might barely know, simply because of religion. (Even when the crime that person has committed is against that religion!)
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I suggest you ask a Freemason about his pledge to support and assist other Masons and the number of senior Policemen who allegedly shake hands in a peculiar manner...
Or how about members of the Black community who will help a "Brother" against "Whitey" simply based on their skin colour...
Or... There are many more examples of people who would "extend protection" to someone else based on what are, frankly, very subjective criteria.
This is *not* exclusive to Muslims.
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Your statement above is *exactly* the sort of thing that I "feel that way", because you are making an *ASSUMPTION* that these people "support Abu Hamza and his terrorist supporting views" without any *EVIDENCE*!!!
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Errmmm the fact that there were gathering of people that stilloccured when hamza preached outside the finsbury park mosque, you know when he was kicked out. There were people there backing him.
Its not hard to read into, death to the infidel, death to america.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, or the English language has changed dramatically in the last few months, those slogans mean, death to the infidel, death to america. Sounds pretty much like a radical view. |
It also sounds like Freedom of Speech. Not a very responsible or sensible use of it, but, none the less, Freedom of Speech.
Yet I didn't actually hear about the Police taking those who went to hear him preach into custody or questioning them "just in case" they were terrorists...
You're looking at a *Jewish* site for opinions about Muslims?
Great idea!
Now how about looking at a BNP site for opinions about Blacks? I'm sure you'll find more equally open minded and unbiased commentary on there...!!
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And you don't grass your mates up to the Police, teacher, whoever, no matter whether you're black, white, asian or anything else.
Don't try to imply that this is *exclusive* to Muslims.
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Ermm, hang on a minute, wouldnt that be a presumption on your part that no one here has grassed anyone up?
And we arent always talking about mates, or does every person know everbody else personalkly enough to call them "mates".
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See my comments above.