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Originally Posted by me283
Ah, I wondered how long it would take to mention that old chestnut "Islamophobia". Do you think Andy is showing "Policephobia" when he mentions the SUS laws (which I do remember)? Or am I guilty of "Liberalphobia" by disagreeing with him? Ye Gods, you'll be shouting "racist" next.
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Nope I am just commenting on what I am reading. I can't say your a liberalophbic me283, I just find some of the coments on here insane when really we are just debating a difference of opinion. Mind you I oculd be a conservativeophobic :-P
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Originally Posted by ScareWebWarrior
A very valid point. Integration is that fine give-and-take that allows each to hold on to their individual cultural identity, while also subscribing to the national identity.
It is easy to be suspicious of those that seem not to share our national and/or cultural identity.
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But they do. Well ok Muslims do in my part of the World. I was following a car today from outside my local comprehensive school. (No I wasn't stalking ) Muslim ladies were wearing the Welsh Football shirt and had a Welsh flag on the back of their car. Brought a tear to my eye it did. So I guess they subscribe to the Welshness of Wales
Ain't so sure about the Islamic individuals living in Bradford or Oldham, there seems to be a lot of racial tension there because no one really understands Islam. I don't claim to either but I enjoy hearing others cultral beliefs, values and norms.
I also believe that we should protect that as far as possible. I dont' know maybe I am old-fashioned but I see targetting *ONE* small section of the Islamic community wrong. Don't target those of Middle Easter appearance target them ALL. I amsure there would be a public outcry then.
Islam is an old Ottoman tradition as far as I know. The religion has a history steeped in goodness. I have to concur that this religion was changed a lot and its concepts and meanings changed to suit other aspects of religion and power and control. Take the Sunni's and Shi'ites for example, One sect believes in the way of Mohammed and the other belives in the way of his brother Ali. They have very different cultral identities.
I would think (and its only an opinion so don't kill me unless you use a funny smilie) that moving to somewhere as WEternized as Britain or America must be a BIG culture shock. For starters, how do they learn to cook ? What foods do they buy that are consistent with their religion ? Where do some of them end up ? Estates on badly maintained local housing areas with other people of Islamic desent ? how do they learn what our norms, value and beliefs are if we stop integrating these people now ? If we arrest on site and interrogate or detain how are they learning anything new from our way of living ? I just think a lot .
Sian