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Originally Posted by andyl
Think there's some confusion about 'integration' which enables cultural traditions to be maintained within a wider society, and 'assimilation' which requires effective renunciation of cultural heritage. The Scots, for example, may be assertively Scottish and yet integrated within English society.
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A very valid point. Integration is that fine give-and-take that allows each to hold on to their individual cultural identity, while also subscribing to the national identity.
It is easy to be suspicious of those that seem not to share our national and/or cultural identity.
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Originally Posted by Graham
Why did they have "no other choice"? Or was it that, as the next generation came along, they *became* part of British Society?
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That was the point I made - The British were less inclined to make allowances and expected immigrants to fit into the british way of life.
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Originally Posted by Graham
So what *is* "British indigenous culture"?
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Sunday roast with beef, Pork, Lamb - whatever. Maybe a pint in the pub.
I could probably think of more if I tried - but even these simple things are quintessentially British - you won't find them in Germany, Holland or France.
And there are already at least 2 things in that list you couldn't share with a Muslim.
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Originally Posted by Graham
And you don't grass your mates up to the Police, teacher, whoever, no matter whether you're black, white, asian or anything else.
Don't try to imply that this is *exclusive* to Muslims.
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Maybe you would protect your 'mates' - although I'd think a lot less of anyone who protected their 'mates' from justice if that was what they deserved. There are some things we can accept from no-one.
But we're talking about extending that protection to people you might barely know, simply because of religion. (Even when the crime that person has committed is against that religion!)