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Originally Posted by Graham
Care to back that claim up with anything? Yes, there are areas which have high levels of black occupancy, but we're not talking about "no go" areas for whites or "ghettos".
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Have you ever been to Broadwater Farm? I have. Sure, you find people of all races there, but there is a very high density of coloured people. That's no bad thing per se, but it is not the only area of it's type. |
But, as you say yourself "you find people of all races there". In other cities there are high densities of Italians, Jews, Chinese, Asians or whatever in certain areas, but nobody seems to think that *they* are a threat to our society.
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I don't go into the bakers and examine *EVERY SINGLE* loaf of bread before I decide "hmm, I'll take this one" and I think the baker would get rather annoyed were I to handle and examine and taste each one...!
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Re the bread... as I've pointed out, not every Muslim will be questioned. It ain't gonna happen.
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No, but yet again I point out that some people are still talking as if *every* Muslim should be a suspected terrorist.
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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001
I still dont get it.
Using intelligence means stopping people of a certai description.
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No, it means stopping people when you have *reasonable grounds* for stopping them.
It does *NOT* simply mean that you stop them because they match a certain description (Middle Eastern, Muslim, Beard, Robes, Funny Hat, whatever) but because you have *some* evidence that they may be up to no good.
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They are looking for a threat from islamic fanatics, Now let me see where would the most likely place be to find fanatics?
Oh yeah perhaps with others.......this is reasonable.
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And *HOW* are you going to tell the innocent people from the "fanatics"? Stop and question them all? Suspect *everyone* who has been seen in the company of a "fanatic"? Hassle anyone who dresses in a certain way?
This is not "reasonable" this is ridiculous.
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So other being, For instance Abu Hamza, well he's in prison, but other people that associated with abu hamza arent, so perhaps maybe we should ask them a few questions. Hey I know lets ask some of their associates questions.
It isnt random, it is using a form of intelligence.
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A "form" of intelligence? Yes.
Short sighted, bigotted, prejudiced, narrow minded and insensitive, but, yes, it's definitely a "form" of intelligence
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However it is still selecting a certain target group.
What exactly is your problem with this Graham?
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Let's say that a certain person who uses the alias timewarrior2001 was arrested for being a suspected terrorist. Then the Police discover that he messages on Cable Forum. Since he's swapped messages with all those people the Police decide to bring in all the members of Cable Forum for questioning "just to be on the safe side".
Wow, what an "intelligent" and "reasonable" use of resources...
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Would you be doing as much crying and complaining if it was people of a christian background, that wore jeans and t-shirt being questioned about being a western infidel in Afghanistan?
I somehow doubt it.
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You are free to believe whatever you want. I am also free to ignore ridiculous comments like this that add nothing to the debate and do not give extra credibility to your arguments.