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Originally Posted by me283
Unless you know exactly what our security services are doing and have done, maybe we should neither praise them nor criticise them?
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Who is responsible for the information that has lead to people being locked up in Guantanamo Bay, Belmarsh Prison et al?
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My preference is to believe that it is at least partly due to theirefforts that we in the UK have not suffered atrocities of the ilk of 9/11 etc.
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"Partly"? Yes, you may be right. Of course that doesn't say *how big* that part it...
I remember after September 11th, there was a lot of "Us too!" going on in the world with every country jumping on the bandwagon saying "terrorists could fly planes into X building or bridge or famous monument", yet somehow these attacks never materialised.
Of course it *could* have been due to amazing (and unseen) work by the Security Services. Or maybe there *wasn't* such a big threat as was claimed after all...??
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Of course we *could* put people on trial if we actually have *evidence* that they're going to commit acts of terrorism instead of just locking them away and hoping nobody notices...
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The latter point, I believe I have already "shot down".
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You have? Sorry, excuse me? Where and when exactly did you "shoot it down"?
The only relevant comment I can see appears to be "If they have even one reason to suspect a person (and remember, they aren't about to make those reasons public), then it is the only real option to detain them." which is no argument at all.
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Originally Posted by me283
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Originally Posted by Graham
Do you *want* to fall into their traps?
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I don't want to fall into any traps Graham. But let's debate. I would like to ask you one, possibly two questions.
1) Do you believe there is a real terrorist threat to this country? |
Ah, now a *reasonable* question...!
I believe there are those who would wish to carry out terrorist attacks in this country. However I do not believe that the level of threat is as great as some in the government and security services wish to make out, nor do I believe that this threat justifies the sort of actions that the government wishes to take to "counter" it and I think that such actions are actually *counter-productive* in the fight against terrorism.
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2) If so, how would you propose that it is dealt with?
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By the rule of law, based on the principles of human rights and justice.
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I hope you can give me answers to these questions.
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I hope you appreciate my answers.