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Originally Posted by me283
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Originally Posted by Graham
me283, if you *want* a reasonable debate, please can you *try* to debate reasonably.
Petty sniping and using phrases like "our PC brigade" add no credibility to your arguments.
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I would love to. But I thought debating was about exvhanging ideas and viewpoints, looking at all sides of a discussion, asking and answering questions... the latter point seems to be a bit of a problem with you though, Graham. |
And, once again, we have petty sniping instead of reasoned debate!
If you want to exchange ideas and viewpoints, to look at all sides of the discussion and ask and answer (reasonable) questions, please, let's do so, but I see little of that going on in this message.
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And "PC brigade" is a well-known phrase. Why do you object to it?
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Because it is a glib, meaningless soundbite that fails to address any idea or viewpoint and does not look at any "side" in a discussion, nor does it ask or answer a question, but is simply an attempt to dismiss an argument or point without actually addressing it at all.
That is not reasoned debate according to *your* description!
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Originally Posted by Graham
And *what* do they want to do to "destroy" this country? Why they want to get rid of the fundamental liberties and rights to fair trials, to freedom of expression, to the presumption of innocence etc that we have so they can impose their own version of the rules.
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Well, if you were to listen to the preachings of some of the more radical and extreme members of the religious groups already discussed on this and other threads, you may be aware of the expression "Holy War". There have been incitements to "rise up and wipe out the West" (not verbatim) and the suchlike. Also, what do you suppose "they" want to do with bombs etc?
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The point of terrorist actions is to cause *terror*. To make people act in an irrational and emotional way to a threat, rather than a logical and sensible manner.
There are not enough of these "radical and extreme members" to defeat us by force of arms or bombs, so instead what they wish to do is to force *us* to dance to their tune by taking actions that play into their hands such as removing basic liberties.
The idea is that they cause *us* to make our own country *more* unstable and to cause greater disaffection and alienation amongst the Muslim populations of the world and that then gives them greater opportunities for recruitment and actions to increase their "power base" that will, they hope, give them enough strength to "rise up and destroy the West".
Do you *want* to fall into their traps?
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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior
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Certainly, as soon as you answer me this one:
A person with a beard, of Middle Eastern appearance possibly wearing some sort of hat or cap and robes and talking in a funny language is most likely to be:
A) An Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorist.
B) An innocent person.
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Certainly, as soon as you answer me this one:
An Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorist is most likely to be:
A) A person with a beard, of Middle Eastern appearance possibly wearing some sort of hat or cap and robes and talking in a funny language
B) A clean shaven person, of north European apparance probably bare headed, in a 3-piece suit and speaking English
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*WHOOOOSH* Sound of a point going right over SWW's head...
Remember that phrase "Presumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty"?
How many people who fit the description of "A person with a beard, of Middle Eastern appearance possibly wearing some sort of hat or cap and robes and talking in a funny language" are likely to be Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists?
So, would consider it reasonable to consider them *all* potential terrorists...???