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Originally Posted by Pierre
Catholic/Republicans 99% = the same thing.
Did it work? not very well but then again the IRA had a political agenda that we could work on, and an avenue for peace.
What is the muslim extremists agenda? oh that's right destruction of the west and what it stands for. Could be a bit difficult negotiating peace with that.
The polices record in finding good reason is not good, based on what exactly. Do you have personal experience of it?
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I think the agenda is just a little bit more complicated than that, the Middle East not being a particularly simple issue and our historic role within it not terribly impressive.
As I have said more than once, during the SUS laws of the 70s the Police were shown quite categorically not to have shown good judgement (see the Scarman report). Searches were only discriminate in that they disproportionally - by some margin - targeted the black population. Obviously blacks are Ok now, its Asians' turn. And yes I have personal experience. I have been illegally searched, illegally held and even had a nice 6ft tall policeman point out how big his boots were to me whilst I was illegally held in a cell (can't think why he should point that out to me). Is that enough for you?
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
Certainly. It has been pointed out today that muslims may experience more stop and search and more counter terrorist activities in order to try to stop loss of life in this country from terrorist activities. Some sections of the muslim community (and our own liberal contingent) are up in arms about this. If we back down from such counter terror activities then we are appeasing those sections of our society. Seems straightforward enough to me 
My argument against appeasement is that sometimes giving in like that can lead to an increased confidence in those who would do us harm (as it did in the 1930's) and spur them on and indeed allow them a freer reign in their activities. |
1. If we 'back down' from indiscriminate searching/harassment of people because of their race/religion, that is not appeasement. That's having a sense of justice.
2. In discussing appeasement you refer to the Nazis (due to a previous post, granted). The appearance at least is one of comparison.