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You have the *right* to be *presumed innocent*. That is a most basic and fundamental right of justice in this country, yet you are seemingly content to toss that away without a thought because you think it will make "a safer world".
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Everyone in this country IS presumed innocent until proven guity in court. That includes When you are being questioned informally, arrested, charged, bailed, remanded. That includes being questioned on on suspicious |
I suggest you ask the opinions of the people currently locked up in Belmarsh and those who would be targetted by the Government's House Arrest policy based on nothing more than the say-so of the Home Secretary. (Although even *he* seems to be backing away from that slightly now because he's realised it's a big mistake).
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To say that we aren't allowed to question people because they fit the description of a suspect, because it infers guilt before court is wrong.
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I agree, but that's not what I said. However when "the description of a suspect" is "looks like a Muslim" you're verging onto very dangerous territory.
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What some people in here and the Home Office Minister seem to be arguing is that those who *are* stopped and searched should be *happy* to be so, "just in case", *because* it will "prevent terrorism".
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The point is that the "Current threat" is almost *NEVER* over!
There will *always* be some "threat" that those in power will argue will justify keeping these powers on the statute books.
Remember that UK Income Tax was a "temporary" measure introduced to finance the war against Napoleon...!!!
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What is not denied is that there is a threat from Muslim groups. Real or perceived, it is still a threat. The question is what to do. Be seen to be actively aware and preventative of it, or just wait till it happens and sit around wringing our hands?
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Ah, now we get the logical fallacy of the False Dilemma. Present two choices and make it appear that they are the *only* choices.
Well, sorry, me283, but as I have already pointed out above, they are *NOT* the only choices.