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Old 02-03-2005, 15:05   #63
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Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
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Originally Posted by Graham
You have the *right* to be *presumed innocent*. That is a most basic and fundamental right of justice in this country, yet you are seemingly content to toss that away without a thought because you think it will make "a safer world".



And once again I quote Ben Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security".

If we lose the right to the presumption of innocence we risk extending what is *already* happening in places like Belmarsh Prison and with the government's intended "house arrest" orders with people being locked away without a fair trial, without any *proof* of their guilt and without them being able to even challenge the order!

There are plenty of people in this world who have used such powers. Mugabe, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Ceaucescu, Pinochet...

What a merry band to join...



You miss the point. It is *ALREADY* unbearable. It should *NOT* be this way and just because *you* are sitting there smugly thinking "I'm alright, Jack" does *NOT* make it alright for others who are suffering from these infringements.
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So because we can't *spot* a terrorist, since they're not wearing big signs saying "I'm a terrorist" we should assume that *ANYONE* who looks vaguely Muslim may be a terrorist and thus should be happy to have their basic rights violated...???

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word "injustice"...
And I suggest you think of a better way to prevent terrorism. If you want to sit there and wait for an aeroplane to fly into a skyscraper before someone is considered a danger, then more fool you. I think you will find that not everyone who is a Muslim will be persecuted; I think you will find house arrest to be a little harder to apply for and put in place than an ASBO; and I think you are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land if you believe that "Innocent Till Proven Guilty" is an active concept of English Law.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Originally Posted by Graham
And this is simply a red herring.

Fine, it's not "racism" it's "religionism".

Whatever you want to call it, it's discriminating against *one* particular group, race, religion, whatever and it is unjust.
How? If one suspects that Muslims intend to perpetrate a crime in the name of Islam, do you not think it sensible and logical to question Muslims? Or would you rather the police raided the local synagogue?
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