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Old 02-03-2005, 14:20   #44
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Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....

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Originally Posted by me283
Yes, "Pakis" is n an unpleasant term, but I have heard it used my many Asians! And do you think the term "Brits" is derogatory? Or do you think referring to people as "black" is wrong? But what about people being "white"? Whenevr a label is put on a person or group, it is done so to differentiate them; this should not always be classed as discrimination. In this case, the label is "Muslims".

I have friends of many races and religions, and can see that the claimed discrimination against Muslims can be viewed as racism. I prefer to think of it as being a visible (if not always effective) attempt to combat terrorism.

There are many examples of derogatory terms being re-appropriated by those against whom they are used - that is a big, big difference. No I don't think the terms 'black' or white' are in themselves derogatory. But if you abuse someone by calling them a black/white b*st*rd you (not you I hasten to add) are using someone's ethnicity as an element of that abuse. The racist comment directed at my friend's child was 'f*ck*ng white b*tch" for example - its the inclsion of white that made it racist.

You concede that this is a visible bit not necessarily effective method of combating terrorism so I guess we're not so far apart! I think that not only will this measure not be effective buit it will be divisive and, ultimately, could increase sympathy for terrorism among those who are increasingly oppressed.
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Originally Posted by Graham
The Police can only search people when they have *reasonable grounds* for suspecting that they will find:-

* stolen goods; or
* an offensive weapon; or
* any article made or adapted for use in certain offences, for example a burglary or theft; or
* an article with a blade or point; or
* items which could damage or destroy property, for example spray paint cans.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nm/ind...#Stopandsearch

Can't see wearing a hijab on that list!