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Originally Posted by punky
I You have probably worked it out by now, but in case you haven't, regarding your last point, council tax is charged per house, not per person. 4 people in a house means everyone pays 1/4th of the tax. Income tax affects everyone, it isn't divisible.
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I had worked that point out - though I do enjoy being patronised, even after a beer

. That's why I like the idea. What'sd four people living in a house got to do with anything? That's four people sharing the same bin but not a lot else. Those four individuals can still each use the library, drive on roads, have their kids educated, get policed, etc, etc. The fact that they share the same house has diddly squat to do with the anything.... which is why council tax is unjust.
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Originally Posted by punky
You raised a point about people on benefits. Do people on benefits over the minium threshold (£10k isn't it?) pay tax on it, as it is still income? Also, don't forget that there are exemptions to the current system, that won't apply to some people, whereas an income tax will apply to everyone.
Like I said (eventually), it isn't supposed to be nice, or fair, or ethical... It is supposed to milk as much of our (sometimes hard) earned money from us. The Lib Dems are trying to raise tax money, would they suggest the system if it left people better off?
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Income tax related to earnings is fair. People on 10k pay little (probably nothing), people on £100k pay more. An income tax will apply to everyone but if we have 10, 23, 40 and 50 % rate bands we have a more equitable system. Indirect taxation or home related taxation is a much blunter tool.
Milk? The Lib Dems look, on the face of it, to be trying to raise tax money through more equitable means and reduce what is (under a "Labour" government) growing inequality between rich and poor. The Tories (and increeasingly Labour)are, on the other hand, only interested in ensuring the rich get richer.
Meanwhile those who moan about tax are also the most vociferous in complaining about crime, NHS standards, school resources etc. Do they think these things are free (or should only be available to those who can afford them)?
For the record I've only voted Lib Dem once, and then tactically. But as mainstream parties go, they look the best of a bad, nay rotten, bunch. Of course should they get elected they'll only let me down......