[punky]

Originally Posted by Graham

No I'm not telling you that "no environmentalists or agencies are trying to whip the population of the world up in a mass hysteria", I'm trying to tell you that your assertion that there are "certain groups behind them who are trying to spread mass fear and panic to the public" is nonsense and I've yet to see any justification for the implication that there's some sort of world-wide conspiracy going on.

Bit of a contradiction in there as "environmentalists and agencies" surely must count as "certain groups"?

And I never said there was a conspiracy, nor did I ever say there wasn't an environmental problem coming. I merely said people are launching into scare tactics based on science that isn't proven, or scrutinised, or most crucially, enactable. At very best, it is wild guesswork.

I will not sell my car, live up a tree and eat grass for the rest of my life, based on (shaky) guess work. I require something a bit more substantial before I am going to fall in line with the doomsday-sayers

o avoid environmental emission controls and making certain that Bush doesn't sign up to annoying things like the Kyoto protocol...

Actually, it has nothing to do with Bush. Clinton was originally against it, although Al Gore signed for it against his wishes. The Senate however refused to ratify it (nothing to do with Bush). Bush has said he opposes it, but if the Senate voted to ratify it, he'd stand by it. Kyoto is a joke. China is exempted from it, Australia opposes it (even though it produces under its quota of waste, under Kyoto Australia would profit from from trading their credits to industrial nations), as does Russia. Russia only ratified it recently as a political move to please everyone, even though chief environmental advisor to Putin was against it. Kyoto: avoiding a possible climate catastrophe by guaranteeing an economic one.

And, again, I ask you, what will you do if it *does* happen? Say "oh, sorry, I didn't know that was going to happen, so I didn't worry about doing anything to stop polluting the planet..."?

And, please, this is *nothing* like terrorist attacks



And rather than implying there's some sort of global conspiracy and dismissing any comment about the subject, why can't you accept the fact that *ARE* no absolute facts about this, but there are things to be concerned about and the time to start doing something about it is now!

Originally Posted by Graham
And this has precisely *what* to do with terrorist attacks as Punky asserts...???

You are saying we should go to extreme measures to avoid some diastrous on little more than a hunch. The same is extreme measures to fighting terrorism. Also, you claim that certain groups are trying to instill fear about a future terrorist attack, which might not happen. Environmentalists are trying to instill fear about a future climate disaster which may not happen. People are jumping to conclusions there just isn't evidence, or proven theory that a) what's happening in the world would lead to a diaster, and b) what is happening isn't anything other than completely natural.