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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze
I sincerely doubt that the insurgent was shot with a submachinegun, fireing 9mm rounds.
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I agree - last time I checked, the SMG was no longer in service
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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze
In a USMC Rifle Platoon, there are two weapons systems available to increase the firepower of the Marines. These are :-
1). The M 240 Squad Automatic Weapon, firing a 5.56mm M198 standard Nato Ball Round.
2). The M 249 General Purpose Machinegun, firing a 7.62mm Nato Ball Round.
Having been traing in FIBUA (Fighting In Built Up Areas), the contact ranges in firefights are considerably less than those of a typical battlefield. While battlefield ranges are considered to be 300m, in Urban Warfare ranges of 50 - 100m are more likely. So putting a five round burst into the torso of a 'tango' is more than feasible. While the wounds from a military ball round, even from several rounds, prolly wont kill immediately, they do tend to put the target on their ass. For those of you who have ever seen the films of British soldiers going over the top during the Battle of the Somme, you will have seen British soldiers dropping like boned fish. This is caused by the bodies central nervous system 'shutting down' at the moment of impact. When a person is shot, they dont go spinning around as per the movies.
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Again - I agree with these points.
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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze
So, in my own opinion, if the descritions of Iraqi insurgents taking multiple gun shot wounds and not falling over. Then perhaps the yanks are correct in their assertation that insergents where under the infulence of drugs.
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I have seen with my own eyes the effect of a 5.56 round at short range, the problem with it is that unless you hit the heart/spine, the buggers can keep coming..
with the old SLR (7.62) if someone took a hit, it did not matter where, they went down, and stayed down. However with the 5.56, they can stay up. When the adrenaline is pumping around your body, you may not even realise you have been hit.
I dealt with a wounded British soldier who was hit three times, once in the shoulder, once in the lower abdomen (missing and vital organs) and once right on the chest plate of his CBA, he continued fighting for half an hour, and only realised he was hit when the firefight was over, and he noticed he had blood on him.
The problem is that moderm weapons are deigned to wound, not to kill (it costs a lot more to treat a wounded soldier - doctors, nurses, hospitals etc, than it does to bury a dead one).
Whilst it would not suprise me in the slightest that these insurgents are taking drugs, this would only enhance the ability the body already has to keep going when logic says that you should be down and out.
as ever - my opinions only - feel free to disagree.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention the Americans never give their fighter pilots drugs to keep them alert - do they ?
Ahem