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Chrysalis · 07-01-2005, 20:43

Bill C I was reffering you to bringing up the british gas/centrica subject.

Ignition and others I take on your points about UBR contention and yes you are right that is a small choke point and as such is harder to manage contention level's, so you pointed out telewest are making more profit, could you perhaps point out why you think this is? Bad management from ntl perhaps or is it just Telewest's packages are more profitable.

To be quite frank I dont care if 95% of people want this and that its not all about the masses, your argument seems to be its ok if 5% subsidise the 95% but not ok the other way round and you conveniantly only compare to BT and wannadoo who are both a joke of an isp. 10mbit is overkill for surfing, if I was just surfing I would be on the 17.99 package and jumping for joy because the new tiers are awesome for web surfer's they have nothing to complain about, perhaps these are the people just been one sided? Its people who download large files who are shafted because they have no package available for them, and when I mentioned hard cap earlier I meant hard cap as in going over will not be ignored as it is now there will be some sort of action taken by the isp not necessarily been cut off.

The thing is going back to the 95% of users argument your point is also flawed, for example lets say 5% of users are using more traffic then NTL see as acceptable so the other 95% of users subsidise this, this cost is seperated between 95% of users and as such it will only be small per user maybe not even ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£1 on a monthly bill. However the other way round how much does it cost to provide weekly support for 95% if ntl's customer's??? this must be a fair amount and more then the extra bandwidth costs and only 5% of users are subsidising it to, so that cost split between 5% of users is a higher amount on each bill maybe ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2 or ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£3 a month. So my argument is the bulk of users might be paying ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£1 to pay for my traffic (I use 30-50 gig a month) but I pay ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2 to pay for them ringing up ntl on toll free lines.

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Chrysalis Inactive Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 12,047	Re: NTL cap limit Bill C I was reffering you to bringing up the british gas/centrica subject. Ignition and others I take on your points about UBR contention and yes you are right that is a small choke point and as such is harder to manage contention level's, so you pointed out telewest are making more profit, could you perhaps point out why you think this is? Bad management from ntl perhaps or is it just Telewest's packages are more profitable. To be quite frank I dont care if 95% of people want this and that its not all about the masses, your argument seems to be its ok if 5% subsidise the 95% but not ok the other way round and you conveniantly only compare to BT and wannadoo who are both a joke of an isp. 10mbit is overkill for surfing, if I was just surfing I would be on the 17.99 package and jumping for joy because the new tiers are awesome for web surfer's they have nothing to complain about, perhaps these are the people just been one sided? Its people who download large files who are shafted because they have no package available for them, and when I mentioned hard cap earlier I meant hard cap as in going over will not be ignored as it is now there will be some sort of action taken by the isp not necessarily been cut off. The thing is going back to the 95% of users argument your point is also flawed, for example lets say 5% of users are using more traffic then NTL see as acceptable so the other 95% of users subsidise this, this cost is seperated between 95% of users and as such it will only be small per user maybe not even ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£1 on a monthly bill. However the other way round how much does it cost to provide weekly support for 95% if ntl's customer's??? this must be a fair amount and more then the extra bandwidth costs and only 5% of users are subsidising it to, so that cost split between 5% of users is a higher amount on each bill maybe ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2 or ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£3 a month. So my argument is the bulk of users might be paying ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£1 to pay for my traffic (I use 30-50 gig a month) but I pay ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£2 to pay for them ringing up ntl on toll free lines.