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**Hugh** · Today, 06:54

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“Lebanon has changed the context of the talks,” Mr. Nasr said. Iran has stressed its view that the cease-fire was supposed to apply to Lebanon. Although Mr. Vance on Wednesday claimed there had been a “misunderstanding” over the status of Lebanon, Mr. Sharif’s announcement of the deal — which was edited in advance by the Trump White House — called for an end to the fighting there.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The "proportionate response" is what the long distance onlookers who don't like Netanyahu (and I don't like him) get wound up about.

For example, what would have been a "proportionate response" to Hamas roasting Israeli babies and murdering 1200 people?

"Proportionate response" is long distance politician speak; it doesn't deal with what Israel faces: killer rockets coming from Lebanon onto Israeli homes.

Hezbollah needs to be eradicated but can be tolerated if they don't attack Israel.

So - what do you think Israel's response to Hezbollah should have been?

Whilst the Hamas actions on October 7th (and other dates) are indefensible, it’s difficult to describe a "proportionate response" to something that most likely didn’t happen…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...inian_Conflict

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Legal and Ethical Dimensions of Misinformation in Conflict Zones: Case Study of the 'Babies in Ovens' Allegation and International Responses to the Israeli- Palestinian Conflict…

…One particularly egregious example of misinformation during a conflict is the "babies in ovens" story that emerged from the Israel-Hamas conflict on October 7, 2023. This story alleged that Hamas militants had burned babies alive in ovens during their attacks on Israeli communities. The claim quickly spread across social media and was reported by various media outlets, leading to widespread outrage and condemnation. However, investigations into these claims revealed significant inconsistencies and a lack of verifiable evidence. Eyewitness accounts and statements from involved organizations contradicted the initial reports, highlighting the story as an example of misinformation in a conflict zone…

…The verification process for the "babies in ovens" story was notably lacking. Initial reports were based on second-hand accounts and anecdotal evidence without direct corroboration from credible sources. As the story spread, several journalists and fact-checkers, including those from Haaretz and other investigative outlets, attempted to verify the claims. They found significant discrepancies and a lack of concrete evidence supporting the narrative. For instance, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and other official bodies did not corroborate the details of the story, and further investigation revealed that no babies were reported to have been killed in such a manner.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...october-attack

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Another story claimed that an Israeli baby was found burned in an oven, which originated from Eli Beer, the president of United Hatzalah of Israel, a volunteer emergency medical services organisation.

Haaretz also found this story to be false. A source from United Hatzalah told Haaretz the claim originated from a volunteer who thought he saw that baby and relayed it to Beer inaccurately.