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Originally Posted by nomadking

At no point did Pretti specifically try to help anyone, and certainly NOT before being pepper sprayed as people keep claiming. He went up to the agent, ignoring the woman. That is why and when he was pepper sprayed.

By being there, he was helping the woman.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Clearly no threat? People on this planet are NOT mind-readers, and even if they were the deranged demeanour and behaviour of Pretti would indicate a possible threat. They had no idea of what he might do next.

You talk about evidence but here you are describing a protestor as having a deranged demeanour with no evidence to back that up! Malinformation. Enforcement officers should be trained to read the room, not shoot first and then ask questions afterwards.

Originally Posted by nomadking

They are TRAINED to respond, without having to get a Health & Safety Assessment, Disability impact assessment, criminal records check, and psych report for the person they're dealing with.

This is just waffle, do other forces need to get disability impact assessments, for example, before responding? If they're professional, any response should be to minimise the loss of human life.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Nothing has happened by ICE, that wouldn't have likely happened around the World, with armed law enforcement in those SPECIFIC situations.

And yet again, no evidence to back this statement up.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Chris Rock is American and was talking about the common sense things of how to behave when dealing with US armed law enforcement. Pretti broke each and every one of the applicable ideas in the video, and also had done so in a previous ICE encounter.

I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous source for good practice for the general public. You're also back to victim-blaming again.

Originally Posted by nomadking

We don't know the reason, for the 2nd batch of shots, but that is IRRELEVANT. It is common in that situation for another officer to fire. DO THE RESEARCH.

Until we know the reason its relevancy cannot be conveniently discarded. It could show a lack of training, it could show ICE out of control and acting on emotions or something far worse.

Originally Posted by nomadking

ICE protestors are deranged. How else do you explain biting a finger off a federal agent?

An alien descending from Mars reading this statement would instantly know that the rest of the post should be taken with a severe health warning! You cannot extrapolate the behaviour of one protestor on one occasion and state that it applies to all protestors. No ifs, buts and maybes.

Originally Posted by nomadking

I've adopted a Pro FACTS stance.

I really hope that you do not believe this and are just saying this to try and bolster your argument. Your post is riddled with malinformation and misinformation.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Strange concept, I know.
ICE are NOT going around with handguns drawn and randomly shooting people.

We've not said that they are. A classic misinformation technique - deny something outrageous that no poster has actually said.