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Originally Posted by Pierre
Starmer and by association the U.K. look pathetic.
Trump played him and he fell for it like a complete novice.
It’s a national embarrassment.
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The only novice here is the contrarian who criticises the UK when the evidence points firmly in the other direction.
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Originally Posted by Damien
The UK has minor influence on things like this because there is little we can do. We don't hold any authority over either Hamas or Israel; the latter isn't concerned with our funding. The only outside countries that have any influence are America, Iran and to some extent Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
This peace deal is neither a humiliation nor a success for Britain, as it would have occurred with or without our involvement. I think some people are a bit delusional about how important we are. We've had people saying Starmer will be prosecuted for war crimes in Gaza or that this has humiliated Britain.
We're a footnote in this period of history; no one outside of Britain cares what we think on this issue.
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Speak to those in the diplomatic services and you'll soon find that the UK and France punch well above their weight behind the scenes. They have established skills built up from their days of ruling a lot of the world.
That of course doesn't make the UK a super power by any stretch of the imagination. But effective diplomats like Jonathan Powell come from an established system that not all comparable nations possess. That's not British exceptionalism, it's just our history.