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Originally Posted by epsilon
Aha! but he didn't get the confirmation he seeks (but denies seeking) from that. So he filtered the whole thing out of his analysis (whilst simultaneously claiming not to do that). A good demonstration really of how he actually analyses possible future outcomes. Useful to compare this with what he claims to be doing.
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What confirmation? I’m trying to have a conversation here. Why must you be so argumentative and snide in your comments? You made a perfectly reasonable comparison with 405 line and analogue switch offs. I was simply making the point that DTT and IPTV are completely different because the latter was on demand rather than channel based. Previous big changes have not enabled such revolutionary change to the method by which broadcasters present their content. As for ‘filtering out of my analysis’, I did no such thing. I do not spend all day and night on Cable Forum and I had not had an opportunity to respond to your post - I hadn’t ignored it.
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Originally Posted by epsilon
I know you have filtered out the fact that Freely, the IP version of Freeview, delivers DVB channels over IP along with the same apps currently available on Freeview (iplayer, itvx etc). It doesn't fit in with your personal view of what could happen, which you refer to as the "facts". So, well, they aren't really completely different systems are they?
You also filtered out the other multi-platform broadcasts mentioned. You know, the FM / DAB duplication. If it helps you to process this, I know you have difficulty with over the air systems, you can also consider the other platforms simulcasting these services. BBC Sounds, Global Player, Rayo, Nation Player etc and also the raw streaming available on web browsers and wi-fi radios. Multiple simulcasts, yet no call to switch off the expensive single service FM transmitters. And no demands that the government compensate them for, you know, providing their service to their listeners.
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If that’s what you meant by ‘filtering’, again, no. This is not about the availability of alternative means of scheduled channel delivery, it is about the changeover to on demand, which broadcasters find cheaper and easier to manage for reasons I have given on multiple occasions. THAT is the point, not ‘Is there an alternative method of delivery over the airwaves?’. As I said earlier, with diminishing audiences watching our traditional channels, the broadcasters are unwilling to continue to plough money into it.
As for this point you make about compensation, where have I said anywhere that the government or anyone else had to pay compensation? What I am saying is that unless compensation is available, the broadcasters will be unwilling to keep funding the existing system.
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Originally Posted by epsilon
Oh don't go there, they don't fit into his theory so are just considered to be a momentary blip and will die out completely to bring about his on demand / streaming dream.
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This withering comment was about the FAST channels. I have already (how many times?) explained that these channels are run on the cheap and they simply don’t incur the same costs as the big five. You’ve only got to compare the content with the traditional channels to see that.
The FAST channels were never a part of my prediction, but my view is that they will indeed survive the switchover to IPTV only. But don’t expect the likes of BBC, ITV and the rest to follow - they will stick with on demand because it saves them costs.
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Originally Posted by epsilon
Evangelising his opinion is understandable if pointless, especially as he seems to be a lone voice.
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Well, epsilon, with the bullying and hectoring way you guys react to opinions different from your own, is it any wonder that others don’t stick their heads above the parapet? I know for a fact that some people do agree with me, but they won’t say so on here, which is a shame. These are really interesting times, and people would expect to see intelligent debate on these issues, particularly on a forum like this.
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
I don't think that the streaming service will be VOD only, I think that there will be streamed linear channels.
The commercial channels & advertisers will love this as people won't be able to FF through the adverts.
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I agree, Richard, because there do seem to be a lot of people who like to ‘channel hop’ and just watch what comes up that happens to interest them.
As long as the FAST channels can get more advertisement funding than it costs to run these services, then they will continue to survive.
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Originally Posted by Chris
You haven’t been paying attention (as per).
Switching to IP delivery does not equate to TV as VOD only, as many people have told you, over and over again. IP is just a delivery mechanism. Even if it were technically and societally feasible to switch to an entirely IP-based delivery mechanism 10 years from now, linear broadcast channels are not going to stop in 2035. Their utility is too great.
I have (almost) every streaming service it’s possible to get in the UK but even I have spent the last 3 hours watching linear TV, entirely IP delivered (we never did get round to installing an aerial on our new house). First, BBC1, then Pluto TV. And it is FAST services like Pluto that really are the proof of the pudding. If we were hurtling towards a future in which nobody wants linear broadcast, where on earth have the FAST services sprung from, and why?
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I don’t think you are grasping what I’m saying here. You can make as good a case as you like on how the existing DTT channels could be replicated in as many ways as you would want, but you have completely ignored or missed my point.
The broadcasters want to put out their content on demand via IPTV only. This is the issue you need to address because it is the one thing that is most likely to dictate which road is taken in the next few years.
If you don’t believe me, ask Tim Davie. As you know, the BBC is always to be relied upon to deliver the news correctly (or so you tell me on here)!