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Originally Posted by Paul
Why not ? This situation is a result of the events on that day.
War is not pretty, and things happen that most definitely should not.
The event you refer to was clearly wrong, and shoud never have happened.
However, that does not change the fact that this whole mess was started by the Hamas attacks & invasion.
To deny that suggests you are living in cloud cookoo land (or Russia).
Had Oct 7th not happened, would we have had 18 months of peace ?
Unlikely I would think - but would we have the current full scale war, death and destruction ? No.
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Nobody disputes war isn’t pretty, but it has rules and conventions to protect civilian populations. Applying them is supposed to be what makes ‘civilised’ nations better than rogue states and terror organisations. Which was my original point
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Originally Posted by jfman
There’s a difference between that being the sequence of events (of which there were decades of actions on both sides before that) and denying that the IDF have agency to decide not to slaughter paramedics, or generally a free pass to ignore the established norms of warfare by bombing hospitals.
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Being a critic of Israel for the choices they make in how they are conducting this response isn’t the same as not blaming Hamas for it’s role in October 7th. I’m also not convinced it makes Israel (or the west in general) safer in the long run.
Appreciate we have done this back and forth before so I’ll leave it there for this evening.