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Originally Posted by ianch99
And yet a trans women who is, from a physical and presentational perspective, conformant to a broad definition of a women is only a threat because men who object to trans gender identities say so.
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Untrue. Plenty of women say so - notably, those women whose employers have been insisting they disrobe in front of them. You can’t have failed to notice the ongoing court cases of the Darlington nurses, Sandie Peggie v NHS Fife and Dr “Beth” Upton, or the whopping great fine issued against Sussex University for failing to uphold Prof. Kathleen Stock’s academic freedom to be gender critical? All women, all going to court to protect their rights, and in the cases of the nurses, all of them doing so because
on principle it is a violation of the safety and dignity of women to have to share changing facilities with men, regardless of the nature of the men concerned.
There is no such thing as a trans woman. It is impossible for a man to become a woman, unless you’re suggesting that dressing like a woman makes you one, which would be highly mysoginistic and regressive of you. What there are, are trans-identifying males. And they are not women.
Let’s not forget that in the 1970s the Black and White Minstrel Show was considered to be fine family entertainment. Now, white people dressing up and performing in blackface is considered to be racist and thoroughly unacceptable. I confidently predict that a generation from now, society will look on this era when we tolerated men in womanface with equal dismay.
You might want to have a quick gander at the LGB Alliance -
https://lgballiance.org.uk/ - a campaign group which stands on the principle that same sex attraction, being biological in nature, is fundamentally different than trans issues and argues they ought to be treated separately. Indeed, they argue that those parts of the trans lobby that insist a gay man or a lesbian woman should be happy to date a trans-identifying individual are being homophobic in doing so.
This last point illustrates your problem quite neatly. Of course the survey suggests people are happy with the idea of trans equality. If you go out and ask people “do you think we should try to be kind to everyone” of course people are going to say yes.
It is only when you tease out the implications of what trans activists want, in terms of kindness, that opinion turns against them. Kindness does not extend to violation of single-sex safe spaces. It does not extend to telling a lesbian woman that she is a bad person for not wanting to date a man in a dress.