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Old 20-03-2025, 12:46   #3340
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...vertelemetry=1

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Italian PM explains why she insists on extending NATO’s Article 5 to Ukraine

Extending NATO's Article 5 to Ukraine would help expose the bluff of Russian President Vladimir Putin, states Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni during a speech in the Chamber of Deputies of Italy.

Meloni emphasized that extending NATO’s Article 5 to Ukraine “seems the simplest and most effective proposal among all others, also because it would help expose Putin’s possible bluff.”

"If Russia does not plan to invade its neighbors again, it is unclear why it should not accept security guarantees that are purely defensive," she stated.

The Italian prime minister stressed that her proposal regarding Article 5 for Ukraine "should be brought to the negotiating table."

"Peace is based on security guarantees. We must not blindly follow proposals put forward by others just because we need to decide where we stand. Our role is to participate in our own proposals. Those who have the courage to put them forward are doing something useful," Meloni noted.

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has proposed extending NATO’s Article 5 on collective security to Ukraine without the country becoming a full member of the Alliance.

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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
I don’t think we should be necessarily going all Franz Ferdinand with nuclear weapons anyway. The first question should, although inevitably won’t, be how to get off the escalation ladder.

I’m not sure “ah, but we were obliged to” stops the third one landing on us.
Perhaps not invading and occupying other countries would be a good first step to getting off the escalation ladder, by not actually bringing the escalation ladder on to the scene?

btw, remind me, which side has repeatedly threatened to escalate to delivering "instant sunshine" by changing their nuclear weapons doctrine?
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