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Old 11-03-2025, 16:06   #3275
jfman
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy View Post
Who'd have thought he'd end it by joining the enemy of 70+ years, wonder if it'd have made a difference to the election if he'd outlined his bold strategy before the vote
He made it quite clear the plan was to talk to both sides and force a settlement. That might appear alien to anyone bogged down in Cold War rhetoric but to anyone with eyes in October it was obvious Trump was going to end the Biden era pretence that Ukraine were any more than a short term ally for the period American and Ukrainian interests aligned.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Trusting a politician's pre-election pledges is a one-way ticket to disappointment. Judge politicians by what they do.

In the case of Trump, it's been to throw Ukraine under the bus and repeat Putin's talking points...even when they're wrong.

You only have to look at Trump's support for Israel to see that he is not applying some global disarming strategy across the world to bring peace or has a philosophy around a national interest. He's just doing what Putin (and Netanyahu) hoped he would do to support them...and some!
I don’t really see how Trump’s approach can be a surprise to anyone given he telegraphed it prior to the election. You may consider letting Ukraine down, and I can understand why given the rhetoric the Biden administration and successive UK governments committed themselves to. However it’s a tale as old as time for American foreign policy.

Similarly so is looking the other way while Israel commit some of the worst atrocities on a civilian population since World War 2. I don’t see what that has to do with Ukraine tho - double standards are a staple of American behaviour.
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