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Old 10-03-2025, 21:54   #3267
jfman
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Chris View Post
As if Trump’s admiration for Putin, and Russia, began during the 2024 election campaign.

If you believe that, something something bridge something something
Recognising objective reality on the ground (Ukraine are only in the war because of America) requires no admiration for either Putin or Russia.

The US want to end it’s proxy war. If Ukraine wants to continue then it’s entirely reasonable to expect the US to withhold support.

Some of us warned about the chance - indeed likelihood - that America would dispose of Ukraine when it ceased to be convenient. Ukraine haven’t been betrayed by Trump, they’ve been betrayed by those that gave false promises.

Time will tell how Ukrainians will feel about their role in the conflict, the mass displacement of young women and conscription of young men. As Europe pivots to the right the chances of deportations home will increase later in the decade. Once opposition media, political parties and trade unions are reinstated it’ll be interesting to follow Ukrainian discourse and whether in retrospect, with the benefit of hindsight, with all the available facts available, there will be a view that a ceasefire early in the conflict might have been economically, socially and militarily beneficial in the long run.
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