Originally Posted by jfman

Taken to extreme Ukraine can never be secure while it borders Russia.

That doesn’t mean it makes any objective strategic sense to fight a war until one, or the other, doesn’t exist. Especially in the absence of skills or resources for the one left to be Ukraine.

In the event of a truce the onus is on everyone to take all steps they reasonably can to offer Ukraine security positioning themselves to readily mobilise in the event of future conflict.

But they won’t, because it was never about that and it’ll cost too much money. Donations to Ukraine are out and cheap Russian gas is in. Won’t be long before London reunites the oligarchs with their billions and asks them to invest. Don’t hold it against us, please. A big boy made us do it.