Thread: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Old 01-03-2025, 08:39   #3182
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Gavin78 View Post
I don't think anyone is siding with anyone. you have to ask why did Russia invade Ukraine.

1. They knew they could
2. He knew nobody would stop him (in reality)
3. They blame Nato for getting too close to their borders and arming them

The reason I mentioned Cuba was this is no different aside from Cuba being pro Russian. isn't this how the cold war started the first time it's not much different now and this all started with N korea, followed by Russia who happens to have N korea in their back pocket again.

I see what Zelenski was saying when he says you may have water, they did back in 1962 it still didn't stop Russia trying.
I agree with your points 1 and 2. Point No. 3 makes no sense, it's just a Russian talking point which you've chosen to repeat again. As has been explained:
1.The UK, France and the US (and Russia) agreed to defend Ukraine's borders in an international treaty, so have an acknowledged interest in ensuring Ukraine is equipped to do so. Not that they were arming Ukraine before the invasion to any extent though.
2. Ukraine was not a NATO member and Russia had agreed that Poland and other Eastern European countries could join NATO.
3. Invading Ukraine risked more neutral, close by countries joining NATO, which Finland and Sweden did last year
4. By swallowing up Ukraine, Russia puts itself on a border with more NATO countries.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy View Post
They don't need guarantees, the minerals themselves are the guarantee, wonder if donnie realises, my guess is he doesn't
We learnt yesterday that Ukraine's position had not changed and it still wanted security guarantees. Given that the deal was not a done one, hoping to sign it on the day was probably somewhat optimistic for both parties and humiliating for Trump who would take it personally.

Do you think Ukraine will now have to yield and sign a deal without any US security guarantees? Or is there another route to preserving Ukraine's independence?
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