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Nope. No deflection at all. I do actually know how the EU works, and EU-wide common standards are totally irrelevant here.
We have a beach pollution problem. We have the means to a solution - laws made in our parliament, by our politicians, and enforced by our regulatory bodies. That’s how the entirety of the rest of the world works. It is normal. If we do not do it, or we do not do it adequately, then it is not ‘because of Brexit’, it is because those who lead us have failed us. And we have a remedy for that at the ballot box.
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The article clearly says that the action against the UK for water quality was being closed "because of Brexit – even though wastewater spills “remain too elevated”.
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Meanwhile, in the world of facts (as opposed to holiday season Lib Dem press releases), the UK has always been - oho! - crap at maintaining bathing water quality.
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The article is not a Lib Dem press release. Agree with the latter part of your sentence though.
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Yes, water quality vastly improved whilst we were in the EU.
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I’m sorry Andrew but you’re going to have to try a lot harder to convince me that a supra-national body fining UK organisations and then spending the proceeds in the far-flung corners of Europe is a good thing for the UK in the round. Whatever the current failings of our environmental regime, it is, as a matter of democratic principle, a matter for UK politicians who are accountable to the UK electorate.
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I don't think anyone on this Forum has ever succeeded in convincing anyone to change their mind on issues like Brexit, but congratulations to anyone who has done so! The use of phrases like 'far-flung corners of Europe' rather than 'Europe' should act as a red flag to anyone who is thinking of trying to do so in this case.