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Originally Posted by Pierre
As I’ve always said.
This only ends with a negotiated peace and I also think a demilitarised zone, well I say demilitarised but either that or a UN controlled zone.
Ukraine could never win, and could never reclaim pre-2014 borders, and talk of such was folly.
I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I think at least dialogue will be opened up for the first time…………take it from there.
If I recall, it was suggested Trump would say to Zelenskyy, talk to Russia or we will pull our support. And Trump would say to Putin, talk to Ukraine or we will arm Ukraine to the teeth.
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Those were indeed the lines he was going to say.
However, he has never said what would happen when Russia and Ukraine talk and then fail to agree.
Russia has declared that it has annexed parts of Ukraine that it does not control. Furthermore Ukraine currently controls Russian territory, if only a very small amount. Ukraine might offer to get out of Kursk in return for some of its own territory, but any territory it would want back is territory Russia has declared to be Russian. Even if they freeze the conflict on the current lines within Ukraine, that leaves territory that the Russian constitution says is Russian, inside Ukraine. All of this is a tough sell even for Mad Marge Simonyan.
Add to that, he hasn’t accounted for the fact that the Baltics and most of Eastern Europe has been utterly triggered by all of this and tends to believe Russia will eventually accept a ceasefire only to allow it to rearm. In that scenario, the Poles see Russia arriving at their eastern border some time in the next decade. Up with that, they will not put.
Trump talks a tough game but he genuinely isn’t very astute. He has spent his life slowly losing the vast fortune he inherited. He’s not a genius; he’s a con artist. He’s conned a fraction over half the American voters who liked his patter but he has a lot less control over what actually happens in Europe than he thinks he does.
PS predicting that a war ends with two sides talking is hardly a bold prediction - they almost always do. But the talking only ends the war when one side or the other believes it can get more (or lose less) by talking than it can by fighting. It is unclear that either side in this war thinks that way at this time.