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Originally Posted by nomadking
With UC, PIP, rent paid, and council tax reduction it can all add up to an equivalent of a £30+K salary. That's before considering rents in London.
There are websites where you can enter an annual salary, and it will tell you the take home pay. You can take the total amount received in benefits and work out the salary it would need to get that amount. I didn't pluck the £30+K figure out of thin air.
To say there isn't massive fraud on the mental health side of things is quite delusional. It's NOT about whether you have X, Y, or, Z, but how much that impacts your life AFTER treatment. Eg Somebody SUCCESSFULLY claimed they should be allowed to spend 26 weeks of the year at a 2nd home in Spain, because of the sunshine. Not based upon a media report, but an actual Upper Tribunal decision that is publicly available.
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But we are talking solely about PIP. There are many people who only receive this because they aren't eligible for any other benefits.
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Originally Posted by nomadking
With UC, PIP, rent paid, and council tax reduction it can all add up to an equivalent of a £30+K salary. That's before considering rents in London.
There are websites where you can enter an annual salary, and it will tell you the take home pay. You can take the total amount received in benefits and work out the salary it would need to get that amount. I didn't pluck the £30+K figure out of thin air.
To say there isn't massive fraud on the mental health side of things is quite delusional. It's NOT about whether you have X, Y, or, Z, but how much that impacts your life AFTER treatment. Eg Somebody SUCCESSFULLY claimed they should be allowed to spend 26 weeks of the year at a 2nd home in Spain, because of the sunshine. Not based upon a media report, but an actual Upper Tribunal decision that is publicly available.
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The zero level of instances of fraud recorded for PIP is as stated by the DWP under the last Government.
I don't see what the problem is with someone going to their holiday home if the sunshine is advantageous for their health.
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Originally Posted by Stephen
UC pays the rent. It's deducted of what you receive. I'm sure there is a limit to what they will pay also. It's not as kushy as some people think.
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Indeed. I can't think of anybody who wouldn't give up PIP in return for their disabilities to magically be waved away.
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Originally Posted by Stephen
ESA is pretty much part of UC already. If you claim both, your ESA totally monthly amount is deducted off your total UC amount.
So realistic the only perk to ESA is getting it paid every two weeks rather than the once a month UC payment. You don't actually get any extra.
So using myself as an example. After rent auto deducts and the ESA amount is also deducted we are left with about £400 a month. Not enough to live off for the month realistically.
As for PIP or ADP then it's meant to go towards the extra costs involved with your disability or illness. Many in receipt of it can and do still work. Where it's part time or full time employment.
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Indeed. And it's been pointed out in the consultation that the abolition of PIP could well be counter productive as some disabled people would have to give up work.
The Sunak Government launched a consultation for people to respond to their ideas (now closed). The new Starmer Government stance is that they are to look through the responses received and make any announcement in due course.